Think-Piece: This is Joe Douglas' Plan

[xrade]

47 minutes ago, Bianconero said:

1. I obviously disagree - that's fine

2. I came to this conclusion based on everything that I stated - this entire situation, led by a well respected and smart man, does not make sense to me otherwise

3. That's speculation on your part - we have seen mammoth deals given out all off-season

4. I agree

5. Maybe Douglas loves Mosley - he comes from the same place he did - we don't know

Yes, this is all speculation as this is a think-piece. The underlying issue and reason for which I wrote this is because nothing in our current situation makes sense. As I stated, the pieces do not align AT ALL

JD forced a 6 year deal. He obviously has a long term plan we are not used to.  Now my retort. 
1. What commercials has JA been in? I see Mahomes , I have seen Rodgers,  in years past I saw Suh, even Leo. Not that commercials represent the face of the NFL, but JA is no where near a level that would warrant an ad company to hire him for endorsements. Maybe you and I just differ on what all this means. That’s cool. I would like some context from you, however.

2.  JD is the GM. Gase the HC. Both report to Chrissy. Blame him for the bull****. That is really all we need to hear about this ****show. 
3.  What mammoth deals have the Jets given this past offseason. Yes, it may be speculation, but what is more plausible, JD being hamstrung by a team that wit s to hire him, gave him a huge salary and extra years? Or JD being financially responsible with a team going nowhere in2020?

5.  If you can’t see the issue with Mosley opting out and hurting us for an extra year at JD’s behest, even though smarter FB minds have railed against it, I do not know what to say.  That is really way out there. 
Look, I respect your opinions. Always have, along with everyone else on this forum. However, a think piece should at least have some factual content based on logic not emotion. I guess the Jets do that to all of us. 

[Bobby816]

My thoughts are this.....

I don’t think JD wants to move on from Darnold. I think he actually wants the opposite. Really wants him to succeed. It was just that he couldn’t give him a whole new OL and a new WR group in just 1 offseason. He made OL the clearly priority 1. I’d like to hope skill positions will be the focus thus next offseason. He did draft Mims who we haven’t seen yet as well, as well as Perine. So we will have to wait and see with those guys. But even if they flash. We still need more. At least 2-3 more legit WRs and a RB (assuming we move on from Bell after 2020).

 

Now what I will agree on is that JD doesn’t want Gase here much longer. Unless a drastic turn happens in the near future. Gase’s days are limited week to week. That’s when I think you’ll see JD bring in a HC that’s more his style.

 

JD showed me enough in his 1st draft to trust him more so then past GMs. And with a lot of valuable picks (2 1st, 2nd and 2 3rds) I expect a good young core in the coming years. If we can finally have a GM that can draft good. We can turn this thing around. And luckily for us bc if the Adams trade, we have the draft capital to do that. On the short term... we have cap space as well. We aren’t a desirable team though. So we will have to overpay for guys. Maybe get a OG and Edge in FA and start hugely investing that draft capital into the offense is what I think is best.

 

My guess is that Darnold is still our guy in 2021 and beyond.

JD fires Gase.

JD invests big time offense at skill and another OLineman in the draft.

 

[Bianconero]

Something else that I forgot to mention is that next year Sam Darnold is going to be in Year 4

Another added bonus for not only Douglas but our new HC is that Trevor Lawrence will be on his rookie deal

[ekill08x]

14 hours ago, Bianconero said:

Something else that I forgot to mention is that next year Sam Darnold is going to be in Year 4

Another added bonus for not only Douglas but our new HC is that Trevor Lawrence will be on his rookie deal

To me this is the biggest factor that comes into play if we are to make this decision. 

[xrade]

18 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

My thoughts are this.....

I don’t think JD wants to move on from Darnold. I think he actually wants the opposite. Really wants him to succeed. It was just that he couldn’t give him a whole new OL and a new WR group in just 1 offseason. He made OL the clearly priority 1. I’d like to hope skill positions will be the focus thus next offseason. He did draft Mims who we haven’t seen yet as well, as well as Perine. So we will have to wait and see with those guys. But even if they flash. We still need more. At least 2-3 more legit WRs and a RB (assuming we move on from Bell after 2020).

 

Now what I will agree on is that JD doesn’t want Gase here much longer. Unless a drastic turn happens in the near future. Gase’s days are limited week to week. That’s when I think you’ll see JD bring in a HC that’s more his style.

 

JD showed me enough in his 1st draft to trust him more so then past GMs. And with a lot of valuable picks (2 1st, 2nd and 2 3rds) I expect a good young core in the coming years. If we can finally have a GM that can draft good. We can turn this thing around. And luckily for us bc if the Adams trade, we have the draft capital to do that. On the short term... we have cap space as well. We aren’t a desirable team though. So we will have to overpay for guys. Maybe get a OG and Edge in FA and start hugely investing that draft capital into the offense is what I think is best.

 

My guess is that Darnold is still our guy in 2021 and beyond.

JD fires Gase.

JD invests big time offense at skill and another OLineman in the draft.

 

Problem is that gase reports to Chrissy, not JD.  JD does not have the authority to fire him. As for hiring a new coach, JD may have input, but ultimately Chrissy will make the final decision even if it is contrary to what JD wants.  Until such time the Chrissy gives JD the authority he should have like a real GM, JD is just in charge of player evaluations, trades, negotiations, and scouting.  Actual football operations on the field is gase's fiefdom.

[Rockice_8]

Someone made a great point.  Gase will get fired but not until the end of the season.  Once he's gone all the finger pointing gets put on ownership.  Until then they can focus on Gase and provide cover.  That makes sense to me.

Just get Lawrence or Fields, a creative offensive coach to teach him up, and dump everything you got into the offense so we have a chance to develop a franchise QB for the love of God.

[KingOfNewYork]

I love a good conspiracy theory. This is quality stuff. 

[jetfuel34]

If you think about it. Sam only cost 3 second round pick. We did paid some but not a lot. If we get pick one I think you have to take Lawrence and anything beyond 2 try to trade down and collect more picks. This is going to be a long rebuild unless we get lucky like the Cards and get a Murray and Kingsbury combo. Man I wanted Kingsbury so bad when he was out there. Just like I wanted Reid too. 

[JetsFan15]

On 9/26/2020 at 7:54 AM, jetfuel34 said:

If you think about it. Sam only cost 3 second round pick. We did paid some but not a lot. If we get pick one I think you have to take Lawrence and anything beyond 2 try to trade down and collect more picks. This is going to be a long rebuild unless we get lucky like the Cards and get a Murray and Kingsbury combo. Man I wanted Kingsbury so bad when he was out there. Just like I wanted Reid too. 

This will be the most crucial decision for the franchise.  Looks like we are headed for a #1 overall.  

We can get a ton of picks to build around Sam by trading out of #1 overall OR We hit the reset switch, take Lawrence and trade Sam for best offer.  Wow, for me this is a really tough decisoin.

While Sam has not looked as we all hoped, I really feel like he is being hurt by Gase and lack of weapons.  He is still very young and I fear him becoming a star somewhere else.  A la Drew Brees leaving Chargers for Saints (not saying he will be all time like Brees but there is obvious talent).  I can see him taking off with a better HC/OC and more talent around him which can be had by trading that first pick.

On the other hand, Lawrence is a stud.  No baggage to clear from the past three years.  Rookie salary for 4 years.  Tied to the new HC by the hip.  

Problem is - we still need talent around ANY QB.  JD has his handsful for sure.

Edited September 28, 2020 by JetsFan15

[Bobby816]

There’s 2 thoughts to this.

 

1. just draft Lawrence if we are drafting that high bc it would appear Darnold had an awful year if we’re drafting 1st.

 

2. That Sam Isn’t the problem. It’s what’s around him. Trade that 1st pick for a haul and just load up on offense via FA and draft. Get a OG, several WRs and new RB and go from there.

 

The side issue is the HC change that seems inevitable. Does that HC like Darnold. And can recognize that it’s not him who’s the issue. That it’s a scheme and talent issue.

[JetsFan15]

On 9/23/2020 at 12:33 PM, Bianconero said:

This is just a think-piece: I believe that this is Joe Douglas' plan

Let's review the insanity that is the current state of this franchise. This franchise employs the worst Head Coach in the NFL. Every week, through every channel of media, the New York Jets are laughed at, ridiculed for their incompetence, and made a mockery of. They have a "franchise quarterback" who will be viewed as a reclamation project by his next team. The ex-best player and former face of this team, and soon face of the NFL as a whole (on defense), did things to distance himself from this organization that we had not previously seen in the NFL. This toxicity and overall embarrassment has even begun to leak from within: current players, including Bradley McDougald (someone who has been in this organization for 2 months) are beginning to comment on the lack of preparation that goes into the "product" that we see on Sundays.

At the helm of this operation is a man who garners more respect than seemingly the franchise itself. Someone who has already drafted what seems to be one of the best LTs in the NFL. Someone who has put together arguably the best scouting department in the league. Joe Douglas was given a 6 year, lucrative deal in order to be the General Manager of this team. He inherited the Head Coach, the QB, and everything else that we are too embarrassed to mention.

So how can we have someone like Joe Douglas running THIS operation? It doesn't make any sense. The pieces do not align AT ALL.

I believe that Joe wanted to clean house at the end of the season but was not allowed to by ownership. So what did he do? - He signed players to 1 year deals. He did not make any splash signings. He potentially used COVID as an excuse to tell our best player in CJ Mosely to opt-out and save his body for future years - real years. He did not surround our "franchise quarterback" with any skill-positions to succeed with. He started to build an offensive line because offensive lines need time together in order to be great with key pieces at LT (1st Round Pick) & C (3 Year Deal), positions that regardless of scheme are most versatile in adapting to new ones. He promised to protect Sam Darnold, but he really meant his next quarterback.

I think Joe did this to force ownership's hand and overall, his plan into reality - there is no reality where this sh!tshow continues to survive. He wants to bring in a real head coach, who will in-turn bring in HIS quarterback. Let's be honest, any respected HC is going to bring in HIS quarterback. We see this time and time again, as recent as Kliff Kingsbury & Kyler Murray.

I believe the Jets will be picking #1 next year, where they will use the promise of Trevor Lawrence plus Joe's garnered respect and overall expertise and track-record (Mekhi Becton) to bring in HIS guy and build a winning program and organization. Let me iterate, Joe is on HIS 6-year plan - I don't think Adam Gase or Sam Darnold are apart of it.

I thnk there were 2 players that JD believed were foundational pieces when he took over.  Jamal and Sam.  One is gone, not because JD wanted it but because the player forced it.  I think Sam is very much still part of the plan though, as of now.  It will be very tempting if we have #1 overall and Lawrence comes out.  Couple this with Sam continuing to be inconsistent and we very much may see a 2nd trade of "our best player" within a year.  

To me, getting rid of Gase will allow a better look at Sam.  I really think Gase has Sam overthinking and not just playing.  I know that sounds overly simple.  Fire Gase, take the handcuffs off Sam and see if he can be what he was drafted to be.  If not, hoepfully his talent and pedigree tempt a team like the Bears and we can get a few quality picks and reboot wtih Lawrence and a new HC.

[xrade]

11 hours ago, JetsFan15 said:

I thnk there were 2 players that JD believed were foundational pieces when he took over.  Jamal and Sam.  One is gone, not because JD wanted it but because the player forced it.  I think Sam is very much still part of the plan though, as of now.  It will be very tempting if we have #1 overall and Lawrence comes out.  Couple this with Sam continuing to be inconsistent and we very much may see a 2nd trade of "our best player" within a year.  

To me, getting rid of Gase will allow a better look at Sam.  I really think Gase has Sam overthinking and not just playing.  I know that sounds overly simple.  Fire Gase, take the handcuffs off Sam and see if he can be what he was drafted to be.  If not, hoepfully his talent and pedigree tempt a team like the Bears and we can get a few quality picks and reboot wtih Lawrence and a new HC.

I agree with you about gase screwing up Sam but gase isn't the only issue.  Lack of weapons and a still below average iOL also complicate things.  All three of those must be fixed to get an accurate read on Sam.  Unfortunately, we may be out of time with Sam.

[doumeyer]

I have no idea what Joe Douglas, plans are but i known what my plans are. stock up on top WR'S and offensive young talented offensive line players. This plan would only be superseded if a top pass rusher became available when we draft. We have to stop playing 1950"s football and start playing 2020 football. No more of this check down offensive with one yard passes to the TE. I think we all have enough of this best player available BS when we draft. No more retread WR's and offensive line people it is ok if we need just one to plug a hole.

[Bobby816]

This franchise has ruined a good QB. And I'm worried its too late to fix it. 

[rickyt31]

I don't think JD did this on purpose. He's actually been building the way most of us wanted to see the team built.  Through the draft and not a lot big splash moves. He was just killed with injuries.  The only decisions I didn't like was letting Robby walk & not targeting at least a starting vet edge to play opposite of JJ. 

It terms of him wanting his own coach, I agree 100%. People tried to make it seem like 2 had this big connection from a failed year in Chicago. I can go on about what I don't like about Gase. I'm hoping Denver wins to get this over with. 

Sam made some poor decisions and that part you can't teach. So a lot is on him, but the things you can coach got worse and it's hard for me to write off Sam when he's developing under a coach I don't like or trust. With that being said,  I'm having a hard time with the idea of passing up on Law or Fields if Sam doesn't at least improve his mechanics. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by rickyt31