buno67 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, marshawn lynch said: You made that up... Bauer had a good game against Yanks in August but before that Bauer was 1-4 with 5.34 ERA against the yankees. Bauer has a career best ERA against of 4.18 in his 6 year career... Bauer is also 0-2 with a 5.27 ERA in the postseason (Gray is 0-1 with a 2.08 ERA). That is not someone you want in game 1 of the playoffs. Gray has played 6 seasons the same amount as Bauer. Of the 6 seasons 5 of them are better than Bauer career high ERA... Gray is by far the better pitcher. Trevor may be pitching better as of late but Gray should still have the pitching advantage. If Indians really wanted to use Kluber in game 2 then they should have started Carrasco game 1. Cant believe you actually said Indians has the pitching advantage with a pitcher who has been consistantly worse in the regular season and postseason. Oh you are going to use the numbers from last years post season when Bauer was pitching with stitches on his pitching hand and had to be pull because he was bleeding too much. GTFO! only a good game in August for him? Yeah aug 30 he threw a 4 hit 1 run outing against the yanks in NY and back on aug 4 he threw a 7 hit 1 run outing against them. also there is a reason Bauer has been one of the best pitchers in the league in the 2nd half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 45 minutes ago, pollino14 said: NY just won a game where the Bullpen pitched 8.2 innings, with another dominant arm who didn't even play. If Cleveland wins the series, it won't be because they're deeper. If there is one team that can match the Yankees depth in the bullpen it’s the Indians. What the twins had to get into their bullpen they were done for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, marshawn lynch said: I think if Sevy starts game 3 then Yanks have potential to win in 4. If he pitches game 2 then I see it as inevitable that we lose in game 5 to Kluber. The issue is if we do start Severino game 3 then we are stuck with Gray or Tanaka in game 5 if we dont end it in 4. Gray vs Bauer- Adv Gray Tanaka vs Kluber- Adv Kluber Severino vs Carrasco- Adv Severino Sabathia vs Tomlin- Adv Sabathia Although if we start Sevy game 2 i see it as this Gray vs Bauer- Adv Gray Severino vs Kluber- Adv Kluber Tanaka vs Carrasco- Adv Carrasco Sabathia vs Tomlin- Adv Sabathia Then of course Kluber will probably take us in game 5. Obviously this is all on paper and doesnt take into consideration batting and bullpen play but the bullpens are about even and playoff baseball always seems to come down to pitching and match ups. Sevy and Cookie are a wash. No adv. if you want to dive deeper into it. Cookie is about a full run better on the road where Sevy is a run worse at home. You can look into all the adv stats. It shows the Indians top3 are better than the Yankees top3 pitchers. Like you said it’s aboht pitching match ups. Indians have the better starters and the bullpens are about a wash. To me it comes down to home field, defense and the manager. Indians have the better defensive infield and the better manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 56 minutes ago, pollino14 said: NY just won a game where the Bullpen pitched 8.2 innings, with another dominant arm who didn't even play. If Cleveland wins the series, it won't be because they're deeper. When I'm talking about depth, I'm talking about the number of the guys that are legitimate major league options. The Indians have well more than 25. The Yankees may be the second deepest team (or third behind the Dodgers), but the Indians top everyone. The Yankees probably will surpass them in like a year once their absurd minor league pitching depth becomes major league ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohnson2009 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 The indians biggest advantages are defense, experience and coaching. SP is a slight advantage due to a much stronger ace. Bullpen is a wash, maybe slight lean to NYY. Lineups are a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 44 minutes ago, NewAge said: When I'm talking about depth, I'm talking about the number of the guys that are legitimate major league options. The Indians have well more than 25. The Yankees may be the second deepest team (or third behind the Dodgers), but the Indians top everyone. The Yankees probably will surpass them in like a year once their absurd minor league pitching depth becomes major league ready. I agree Cleveland is real deep. But I just don't see that being an advantage over NY. I said before, If NY has a shot in this series, they gotta win game 1. It'd be an extremely difficult road if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Indians in 4. I'm not sure anything stops them from the WS this year, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretgod99 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Eagles27 said: Indians in 4 tbh. Gonna throw the mentions in here for both fan bases as well. Yankees: @fretgod99 What the ... ? Wat. This might legitimately be the most insulting thing anybody has ever said about me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak1 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I kind of want the Yankees to win, but since they stole the Cubs dugout celebration....go Indians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I have a crazy feeling Tanaka comes out on Friday and matches zeros with Kluber. When he’s on 5+ Days rest he’s been so much better. This is also what we got Sonny Gray for. Let’s see what he’s got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyers0909 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 4 hours ago, pollino14 said: NY just won a game where the Bullpen pitched 8.2 innings, with another dominant arm who didn't even play. If Cleveland wins the series, it won't be because they're deeper. Cleveland literally did the same thing last postseason and their pen is better this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: I have a crazy feeling Tanaka comes out on Friday and matches zeros with Kluber. When he’s on 5+ Days rest he’s been so much better. This is also what we got Sonny Gray for. Let’s see what he’s got. Not really. Gray is a solid MOR starter. He's not a TOR starter that you acquire to give you an advantage in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: Not really. Gray is a solid MOR starter. He's not a TOR starter that you acquire to give you an advantage in the playoffs. I mean, I view him as a solid number 2. You don’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: Not really. Gray is a solid MOR starter. He's not a TOR starter that you acquire to give you an advantage in the playoffs. He's a solid #2 by literally every definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 56 minutes ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: I have a crazy feeling Tanaka comes out on Friday and matches zeros with Kluber. When he’s on 5+ Days rest he’s been so much better. This is also what we got Sonny Gray for. Let’s see what he’s got. Really? On 4days he his era is 4.04. On 5days his era is 5.21 and on 6+ days it’s 4.6. I don’t know if I see him matching zeros with the best pitcher in baseball at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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