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Packers beat New Orleans with generous help from officiating throughout.   NO fans have to be pretty pissed.   I hand it to Rodgers though.  He is playing best he has played in many years.  Packers are definitely class of NFCN right now.  Defense is slipping though.  They need Clark back pretty bad.   Brees is hitting the age wall I think, still really good just because he knows the game.  I bet this is his last year.  

Detroit fans are mad they won yesterday lol.  They have fallen in love with having really high draft picks and regular season doesn’t matter.  

MN Cousins looked good yesterday and he actually looked good in first quarter week before.   Had to crushing that they lost.  They did lose didn’t they? I think I fell asleep watching the game.   Jefferson looks like a real player.  Seems weird they are just discovering it.

 

 

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Packers still look like the team to beat.  Rodgers is playing phenomenal.  Not that I expect anything less from him but it's pretty amazing he is still keeping up this high level of play considering that his supporting cast outside of Jones and Adams (who missed lat night's game) is just a bunch of guys.  I expect that they will take the division but Bears may give them a good push.

I am not surprised Vikings have started off so poorly with their schedule.  Also with Stefanski and Diggs gone I had a feeling Kirk would struggle a bit to start this season.  Their D also looks pretty shaky so far.  I really don't get how some people had them pegged as the favorites to win the North this year.  They have a real uphill climb from here.

Lions are still the Lions I guess.  I expect both Quinn and Patricia to be fired after this season when they likely finish below .500 again.  Still don't get how they fired Caldwell for this clown.  No Belichick coaching disciple has ever really gone on to do good things elsewhere.  It's pretty sad how bad this franchise has been over the years.

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Lions have been so disappointing for so long.  I would fire everyone and start over. 

Vikings I'm a bit surprised by since they generally draft well and had a good draft, but the QB is a great equalizer and Kirk is just very average. They will be in the hunt for a QB fairly soon as they go into a reboot.

Packers like the Seahawks can punt on an entire draft and still end up going 3-0 because of how good Rogers is. He has bounced back big time from 2018 and 2019 and looks like an MVP candidate.  

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7 hours ago, Nads786 said:

Lions have been so disappointing for so long.  I would fire everyone and start over. 

They've tried this already on many occasions and it wasn't pretty. One of those times netted them Matt Millen. 

The Lions are just Lions. They are better than what their record says---just like every other year. The offense can be decent when they're on their game but the defense is still a work in progress. Although the defense did hold the Packers offense to 2 TD's in the 1st half until a BS call in the last minute and another bonehead penalty that gave them time to score.

I don't know what's going on with the Vikings. But it is only week 4 and they started out slow last year too so.....

The Packers offense is looking good but they still have the same problems on defense as always. The offense is going to have to put up 30+ points a game for them to maintain. If this continues, that's gonna be a very hard thing to do during the winter months and the playoffs.  

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@vegas492

Somewhere we discussed the notion that analysts like PFF have been saying or deducing and shouting from rooftops for last couple of years that secondary is much more important than pass rush.

I kept an open mind on it.  

Seattle was the near perfect case study on this theory as they went heavy on secondary talent and light on pass rushing talent.

Results have not been good:  

Now to be fair it could be argued that this is a result of much blitzing and not getting home on said blitzes.    But they never gave those caveats in their declarations.

It seems the conventional wisdom that pass rush is very important or of at least equal or greater importance to secondary may still be true.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dll2000 said:

@vegas492

Somewhere we discussed the notion that analysts like PFF have been saying or deducing and shouting from rooftops for last couple of years that secondary is much more important than pass rush.

I kept an open mind on it.  

Seattle was the near perfect case study on this theory as they went heavy on secondary talent and light on pass rushing talent.

Results have not been good:  

Now to be fair it could be argued that this is a result of much blitzing and not getting home on said blitzes.    But they never gave those caveats in their declarations.

It seems the conventional wisdom that pass rush is very important or of at least equal or greater importance to secondary may still be true.

 

 

Not an expert here, but I vaguely remember the discussion.

Regarding Seattle, couple things pop up in my head.

First off, what is the Seahawks record again?  I think they are undefeated.  So maybe whatever they are doing is working.  Maybe other teams are behind and slinging it more?  I really don't know what to make of their talent versus record.  Obviously Wilson is going nuclear right now, and that means a ton. But....who knows.

About their pass rush.  I think Collier is a first round pick?  I think they picked a pass rusher high another year and he got hurt in an ATV accident and never played.  Frank Clark was coming on as a player and I think they traded him as opposed to signing him long term.  Not sure that they haven't invested in a pass rush, they've just missed on the guys they've chosen.

I've long thought that they "whiff" more in the first round than most...in recent memory.  I'm only an armchair draft guy, but their picks were always confusing to me.  

In their secondary, they traded for two very good safeties.  Griffin is a good corner, maybe even very good.  Flowers has flashed but isn't totally there yet.  

I'm not sure what their deal is regarding pressuring the QB and stopping the pass.

I guess my conclusion is this, regarding pass rush versus pass coverage.  A great pass rush can make an average secondary look great.  A great secondary does not make an average pass rush look great.  And you really need both.

If you are in the draft and you've got a pass rusher and corner equally rated.  Well, I think you lean pass rusher.  Obviously you look at what you have first and what your need is, but I think you gotta lean towards pass rusher over corner if all things are equal.

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And...by the way...congrats to getting off to a great start!  NFL is always better when both the Packers and Bears are doing well.  As God intended.

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2 hours ago, dll2000 said:

@vegas492

Somewhere we discussed the notion that analysts like PFF have been saying or deducing and shouting from rooftops for last couple of years that secondary is much more important than pass rush.

I kept an open mind on it.  

Seattle was the near perfect case study on this theory as they went heavy on secondary talent and light on pass rushing talent.

Results have not been good:  

Now to be fair it could be argued that this is a result of much blitzing and not getting home on said blitzes.    But they never gave those caveats in their declarations.

It seems the conventional wisdom that pass rush is very important or of at least equal or greater importance to secondary may still be true.

 

 

They've had some pretty significant injuries on defense...

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1 hour ago, beardown3231 said:

 

Wow. That's a huge loss for them. Didn't even know that happened. Thanks for the info. 

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Just now, Heinz D. said:

Wow. That's a huge loss for them. Didn't even know that happened. Thanks for the info. 

Not many did. The news broke today that he was seeing a specialist for a core injury. I'm not even sure where and when it happened!

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1 minute ago, beardown3231 said:

Not many did. The news broke today that he was seeing a specialist for a core injury. I'm not even sure where and when it happened!

Yeah...the "how is Rodgers doing so well, he only has Adams?" argument is profoundly flawed. I don't know if people making it haven't seen them actually play, or what...

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2 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

 

That does suck to have a game where you put it all together for first time and then immediately get hurt.  

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Posted (edited)

Nice to see Detroit blow another double digit lead. It was 14-0 Lions early. All of a sudden: 21-14 Saints

EDIT: Make that 28-14 NO

EDIT II: 35-14 NO. Detroit needs to do something with their head coach

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Posted (edited)

3-1, we're still sitting pretty well in the NFCN

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