JMG5 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 hours ago, ttitansfan4life said: Glad to see this forum hasn’t grown up too much over the years... yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Oregon Ducks said: It could be worse. The Mets are paying Bobby Bonilla until 2035 and he hasn’t played with them since 1999. I'm an Angels fan.... Pujols... Hamilton... ugh. I haven't been a real (like I was growing up) fan the past years cause my interest in baseball has dipped and Arte Moreno makes it hard to be very optimistic anyways. But, yeah that Bonilla contract is a doozy. Good for him though. Very smart to take a deal like that. Probably gets taxed a lot less too cause he's not getting all that money at once and its spread over so many years. I'm sure a lot of other players wish they could have a contract like that lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 20 hours ago, Oregon Ducks said: Well, he played at Duke... Why he was a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Nice to add an older vet presence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 anyone else surprised that nate robinson didn't put much effort into something and looked like a fool immediately for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Can’t believe we are in 2020 and almost in 2021 and there are still a lot of fans and media members who hate player movement and the players taking control of their own careers. Also most annoyingly how media members and fans don’t realise the double standard when it comes to player moves smh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC421/ Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Kip Smithers said: Can’t believe we are in 2020 and almost in 2021 and there are still a lot of fans and media members who hate player movement and the players taking control of their own careers. Also most annoyingly how media members and fans don’t realise the double standard when it comes to player moves smh. I really see it from both perspectives. The league does not exist to serve the players. At some point player freedom trumped the league as a whole. I’m not necessarily against but where a lot of problems arise is from this rope the league tries to straddle between socialism and free market. Is the league the corporation with a complete monopoly ( factually it’s not really a monopoly, competition does exist) or are the teams individual corporations competing within the NBA? If the league is the corporation and a player signs to play in the league they should have to play essentially wherever the corporation decides. Are players employees of the league/team or independent contractors? I probably should have never started a reply here because I’d have to right a complete chapter to actually get my point across and I’m rambling. Ive always felt the simple solution for all this ridiculousness is to just get rid of max contracts completely. Stars won’t be so concerned about playing with there best buddies if there best buddy is already taking up 60% of a teams cap space. If the Detroit Pistons want to sell off everyone on the books and offer the next “IT” free agent 80 mil a year and surround him with nothing but low level guys that should be there choice. It’s not really a free market when you tell everyone they can only essentially offer the same thing. The competition around the league would get far more interesting as we’d see a lot more Teams-vs- SuperStars and the idea of team building and development would actually be worth paying attention to again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BigC421/ said: I really see it from both perspectives. The league does not exist to serve the players. At some point player freedom trumped the league as a whole. I’m not necessarily against but where a lot of problems arise is from this rope the league tries to straddle between socialism and free market. Is the league the corporation with a complete monopoly ( factually it’s not really a monopoly, competition does exist) or are the teams individual corporations competing within the NBA? If the league is the corporation and a player signs to play in the league they should have to play essentially wherever the corporation decides. Are players employees of the league/team or independent contractors? I probably should have never started a reply here because I’d have to right a complete chapter to actually get my point across and I’m rambling. Ive always felt the simple solution for all this ridiculousness is to just get rid of max contracts completely. Stars won’t be so concerned about playing with there best buddies if there best buddy is already taking up 60% of a teams cap space. If the Detroit Pistons want to sell off everyone on the books and offer the next “IT” free agent 80 mil a year and surround him with nothing but low level guys that should be there choice. It’s not really a free market when you tell everyone they can only essentially offer the same thing. The competition around the league would get far more interesting as we’d see a lot more Teams-vs- SuperStars and the idea of team building and development would actually be worth paying attention to again. I view it as individual corporations within the NBA because at the end of the day the it’s teams that pay the players, not the league. The league just plays a huge determination in how much the players get paid, but in actual fact the teams are individual corporations. You just said, the league doesn’t exist to serve the players. But it’s also vice versa. At end of the day throughout basketball history with regards to competition things have not changed. There are championship contending teams, there are perennial playoff teams, there are middle of the road teams and there are bad teams. That has always existed and will always be the case. So this idea that this is a threat to competition is a fallacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Danny Ainge got something for a player finally??? Wow! It’s a Christmas miracle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 What big move does Danny boy have up his sleeve? 🤔🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: What big move does Danny boy have up his sleeve? 🤔🧐 Nothing. They're not making any major moves because they don't have the assets (i.e. projected high draft picks, young players on rookie contracts) to do so. But it does create some flexibility. And they're far enough away from the luxury tax that they could be a team who would be willing to take on a bad contract for a year for another asset or two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 doesn't need to have a big move up his sleeve right now, not like the kyrie trade was projected prior to the season it happened. tpe exists for the next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Troy Brown said: doesn't need to have a big move up his sleeve right now, not like the kyrie trade was projected prior to the season it happened. tpe exists for the next year. Yeah. I mean who can you probably get this season? The options they would have available probably aren't the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Kip Smithers said: Can’t believe we are in 2020 and almost in 2021 and there are still a lot of fans and media members who hate player movement and the players taking control of their own careers. Also most annoyingly how media members and fans don’t realise the double standard when it comes to player moves smh. Hayward got that bag, $120M was definitely an overpay and he pretty much sealed his chance at ever winning a title. But at least he has long-term financial security, especially considering how injury prone he has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Hayward got that bag, $120M was definitely an overpay and he pretty much sealed his chance at ever winning a title. But at least he has long-term financial security, especially considering how injury prone he has been. Agreed. I have no issues with him going for the money. Having a potentially career-ending injury changes the equation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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