The Tom Brady Thread

[Pats#1]

2 hours ago, Starless said:

Honestly, Brady should stop dyeing his hair next season just to further flex on the teams he's beating. 

The grey beard is coming and I can’t ******* wait

[SkippyX]

1 hour ago, mld said:

Brady going up against his nemesis, Spags.

 

Brady kicked his butt in December 2007.

Spags got him in the SB (Brady had a high ankle sprain but got beat up so good on Spags)

2011 was not Spags

Umm, Spags beat him in 2019 when Brady's offense was crap.

Spags lost to Brady in NY in 2015.

Nemesis?

 

[SkippyX]

There is a term for someone trying to sell Montana over Brady.

Its not a very nice term.

[BigTrav]

3 hours ago, Pats#1 said:

Wait, you were being serious? 
 

lol

Salty packer fans are the most fun.

[ILoveTheVikings]

5 hours ago, mission27 said:

People rightfully **** on Max Kellerman but we shouldn't forget Rob Parker said Brady was done and would never make another Super Bowl in TWO THOUSAND TWELVE when he was 35.

Since then:

123 wins (one less than Johnny Unitas in his entire career, more than Terry Bradshaw, would be top-15 all time on its own)

17 playoff wins (would be an all-time record on its own)

5 super bowl appearances (would tie the all-time QB record on its own)

3 super bowl wins (would be second most all-time on its own, could be 4 in a couple weeks which would be the record on its own)

281 regular season touchdowns (would be 17th all-time on its own, a couple spots above Montana, hes about half a season away from doubling his number of touchdowns as of 2012)

39,225 regular season yards (would be 23rd all-time on its own, essentially tied with Joe Montana and Johny Unitas entire career)

So in summary, since he turned 35 and Rob Parker said he was washed, Brady has won more games than Terry Bradshaw did in his entire career, won more playoff games than anyone did in their entire career, made as many Super Bowls as anyone (tied with Elway), won as many Super Bowls as anyone other than Montana, thrown for as many yards as Montana and Unitas did in their entire career, and more touchdowns than either.

Is it possible that BB held Brady back? Seeing what he just did at 43 raises that question

[lancerman]

1 hour ago, ILoveTheVikings said:

Is it possible that BB held Brady back? Seeing what he just did at 43 raises that question

No lol. Brady went to a stacked team. There's always one team that is built that lacks and elite QB and like Manning in 2012, Brady found them. Over a 20 year period Bill retooled so many times to keep Brady in position to have a shot in the playoffs. 

[lancerman]

7 hours ago, BayRaider said:

Max Kellermen officially has the worst take in sports history. What makes it even worse is he has double down on it like three years in a row.

Parker is still worse. In 2012 he said Brady would never go to another SB again. He's about to enter to his 5th since that statement and won 3 of them so far. To give context, the most SB's a QB has ever been in aside from Brady is 5, in 2012 only Elway and Brady went to 5. So since that statement, Brady effectively has tied what was the record for most Super Bowls in that time. 

And at least Kellermen always insisted Brady was the GOAT and has since backed off that statement. Even if Brady played an amazing SB and somehow won, Parker is going to find a reason to call it flukey and lucky and say that he is fraudulent. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by lancerman

[mission27]

2 hours ago, ILoveTheVikings said:

Is it possible that BB held Brady back? Seeing what he just did at 43 raises that question

No. I think it’s true Bill / the system held him back from a statistical standpoint at times, compared to what he could’ve put up in a more pass heavy, aggressive offense with weapons (and did in 07, 11, and now). But Bill always put him in a position to win for 20 years.

[ChazStandard]

Posted this after the Saints game:

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With his win over the Saints yesterday, Brady moves to 6-4 on the road in the play-offs, only Joe Flacco (7) has more road wins (unless you count neutral venues, then  Brady's 12-7 and has the record comfortably).

He's also 8-3 vs. NFC opponents in the play-offs. That's more NFC wins than Steve Young, Bart Starr or Frank Tarkenton, and tied with Aikman, Brees, Wilson and Warner. Only Rodgers(10), Favre(12), Montana(10), McNabb(9) and Staubach(9) have more. Needless to say, they are all career NFC players.

 

Needless to say, Brady is now tied for all-time play-off wins on the road, with 7. (Including Superbowls he's now 13-7 away from home in the post-season).

He's also 9-3 vs. NFC. He has more playoff wins against NFC teams than Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Troy Aikman or Russell Wilson.

[Broncofan]

15 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

Does Brady make his defense and special teams better somehow? Honest question at this point... In New England it was easy to just credit BB as to why the Pats consistently had great Ds and STs that would often bail Brady out when he didn't play well (and he bailed them out just as much, if not more, of course), but now it feels like Brady took that Patriots energy with him to Tampa. Nothing went right for him in 2nd half, but TB defense suddenly tightened up into a WALL and saved the game when they needed to. 

 

14 hours ago, Jlowe22 said:

Teams will play harder when they know they have a chance, no question about that.  I’m sure the Bucs defense phoned it in a few times after the third or fourth Jameis pick in one of the many games.

But Bucs did have a legit D last year, they just couldn’t overcome 40 Jameis turnovers.  And their offense is certainly top tier.  Really the only question I had, and anybody should have had was whether or not Brady still had enough gas left in the tank at 43.  
 

 

The main reasons why TAM's D is so much better from 2019 to 2020 isn't because Brady's raised their game - GM Licht has plugged some key holes or had growth from rookie on D and on the OL, and we're seeing it all come together this year:

1.   First and foremost, adding Antoine Winfield Jr. to free safety, and the development of their 2nd year CB's (Jamel Dean, Sean Murphy-Bunting, 2 rookies from last year - who both still get beat, but also makes key game-changing plays), has made their secondary serviceable.   SS Jordan Whitehead has gone from being a very bad SS in coverage to being OK, and an absolute run stuffer and big hitter (which paid off with 2 FF's yesterday, but it's limiting the YAC that's key, and the run support).   

2.  Lavonte David is unchanged as a great ILB - but Devin White has elevated his game from his great rookie year to top 3 ILB status.   Those 2 are great at run support, and are such good tacklers & zone cover guys, they limit the short passing game.

3.   Ultimately what makes TAM's D hum is their DL - Vea & Suh are absolute run killers when rotating in, and they also offer inside push - which lets their EDGE's face single coverage.   JPP & Barrett can't beat double-teams, but one on one, and especially if the T's are slow-footed, they can get there, which is crucial to account for the CB's lapses that sometimes occur (and occur deep - why Hill roasted them, and we've seen it in other games, and MVS yesterday).     Having Vea & Suh keeps either fresh, and with McClendon, allows them to form a 3-man rotation when they need to go to a hybrid 4-man rush.   Much like the 2011 NYG team, that front line is the key - but unlike the NYG team, they have elite ILB's, and they have better playmakers in the secondary (but are also more prone to giving up big plays - which is why DC Bowles uses a fair amount of zone protecting leads or early on).

4.  Last but not least, TAM's OL is just so much better.   Tristan Wirfs working with Alex Cappa turned their R side from a total liability to a strength and elevated Ryan Jensen's play.   Marpet & Smith were already OK (Smith is actually their worst guy now, by a fair margin, from that 5).   That's allowed them to establish a power run game that works best with Ronald Jones.  And that's restored their play-action and short passing game that struggled from weeks 6-12.     How does that affect the D?  Well,it keeps the D fresh.  And that's something that the Winston-led O never did.  That's a major difference.

Don't get me wrong, TB12 has limits - he's still vulnerable to inside pressure, and he makes the odd high / bad throw you never say in his NE prime years.   He's made a huge difference in the O....but the D's improvements, other than the O not leaving them with short fields, or 36+ mins on the field most games - it's a credit to the team building their GM Jason Licht has done.    

Look at TAM's impact draft picks the last 3 years:
 

2018 

Vea R1

Davis R2

Ro-Jones R2

Whitehead R4

 

2019

White R1

Murphy-Bunting R3 (who I would argue has struggled the most)

Dean R3 

Edwards R3 (the backup safety who filled in admirably this past week, and picked Brees off the week before)

 

2020

Wirfs R1

Winfield Jr. R2

 

When you look at the draft sequence, and the 2nd/3rd year bumps that young players often experience, it's not hard to see why TAM's D surged.    It's also true that Brady was the key missing last piece (along with RT Wirfs) on O, which then has made it a lot easier to keep the D fresh, and playing at such a high level.

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Broncofan

[ThatJaxxenGuy]

Tom Bradys youthful face is not just his diet and exercise. Guys had a mountain of plastic surgery done and now his post game interviews look like Max Headroom

 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by ThatJaxxenGuy

[childofpudding]

3 hours ago, lancerman said:

Parker is still worse. In 2012 he said Brady would never go to another SB again. He's about to enter to his 5th since that statement and won 3 of them so far. To give context, the most SB's a QB has ever been in aside from Brady is 5, in 2012 only Elway and Brady went to 5. So since that statement, Brady effectively has tied what was the record for most Super Bowls in that time. 

And at least Kellermen always insisted Brady was the GOAT and has since backed off that statement. Even if Brady played an amazing SB and somehow won, Parker is going to find a reason to call it flukey and lucky and say that he is fraudulent. 

There are people like Rob Parker - another is Scott Kacsmar who used to write for FO - who will never give Brady their due. They're like QAnon fanatics who move from one impending doom clock to the next while their cognitive dissonance revs in overdrive

[PatriotsWin!]

Brady SIGNIFICANTLY improved online performance. His calls at the line and his movement in the pocket help them imensely, can't overlook that. 

[lancerman]

Just now, childofpudding said:

There are people like Rob Parker - another is Scott Kacsmar who used to write for FO - who will never give Brady their due. They're like QAnon fanatics who move from one impending doom clock to the next while their cognitive dissonance revs in overdrive

Deep down I think they are just people who married themselves to the idea that a top prospect on deep ball oriented offense like Peyton Manning is the correct model and Brady blew that out of the water and they could never explain it, so they are looking for golden carrots. These same people would proclaimed Brees or Rodgers superior if they won the past two weeks, and will do the same of Mahomes wins next week.

They didn’t predict Brady and he wins in spite of their internal rationale so they hate imo for it. 

[Pats#1]

5 hours ago, ILoveTheVikings said:

Is it possible that BB held Brady back? Seeing what he just did at 43 raises that question

From a purely individual statistical perspective, yes.

 

Overall success, absolutely not, no.