WindyCity Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, G08 said: Right, but if we keep changing GMs and Head Coaches we'll be the ******* Cleveland Browns. I would kill to be the Cleveland Browns right now. You don’t keep incompetent people around for the sake of continuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: The goal of a GM is to put together great teams, not just great defenses. If we don't hold our GMs to a higher standard, we'll continue to get exactly what we ask for. Yes I agree with this. Though I have to wonder how much is also Nagy's fault for not developing these Pace picks better. Either way Pace hired the guy so he deserves a lot of the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 years into Pace’s tenure we are a non-competitive team. Thats it, that is the end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, topwop1 said: Yes I agree with this. Though I have to wonder how much is also Nagy's fault for not developing these Pace picks better. Either way Pace hired the guy so he deserves a lot of the blame. There's probably blame to go around. But it's hard to see many of these players contributing even under a different coach with a different team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) I get that Pace has built a damn good defense, but he has failed everywhere else. I won't hold his first three years against him, he inherited a crapshow and we knew it would be a time to be competitive. But 1 good year followed by two years of decline, that's inexcusable when at the level of this team. Going from 12 wins to 10 then 9 is fine if you're progressing elsewhere, being completely incompetent on offense like the Bears are shoes or lack of playmakers, starter level talent AND depth. Honestly if not for Fangio and Pagano then Nagy hes been as inept as Fox. Both need to be gone. Edited November 17, 2020 by Sugashane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, abstract_thought said: There's probably blame to go around. But it's hard to see many of these players contributing even under a different coach with a different team. Ehh..well we can't say for sure and I guess we'll never find out until it happens elsewhere or not. But after seeing Adam Shaheen play well in Miami I'm thinking there is big development coaching issue on offense. I mean it's not as if guys like Montgomery, Kmet, Miller, Mooney, Whitehair and Daniels don't have the talent Edited November 18, 2020 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 hours ago, topwop1 said: Ehh..well we can't say for sure and I guess we'll never find out until it happens elsewhere or not. But after seeing Adam Shaheen play well in Miami I'm thinking there is big development coaching issue on offense. I mean it's not as if guys like Montgomery, Kmet, Miller, Mooney, Whitehair and Daniels don't have the talent I wouldn't say Shaheen has been playing that well unless he has been blocking really well. He has only 1 game with more than 1 catch, only 6 so far total. Agree otherwise. We can't keep watching inability to get Mooney the ball in space or even using Montgomery on flats as an extension of the run game since the OL clearly barely lets him get back to the LOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Yea... Shaheen isn't really playing much better than he played with the Bears. As for the others - none of them have proven to be anything more than average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 19 hours ago, G08 said: He liked Trubisky, he picked the wrong coach/scheme to develop him. It doesn't matter, Tru would have sucked in any scenario. Kyle Shannahan would turn him into an average starter at best but the minute the run game is gone his ability to play QB would be too. The bottom line is that Pace just doesn't know how to draft offensive talent and his strategy on building a great defense is flawed in the modern NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Nads786 said: It doesn't matter, Tru would have sucked in any scenario. Kyle Shannahan would turn him into an average starter at best but the minute the run game is gone his ability to play QB would be too. I don't agree here at all. I think he'd thrive in Shanahan's offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, G08 said: I don't agree here at all. I think he'd thrive in Shanahan's offense. I think he'd be pretty good there, simpler reads, better OL, and I think his development would have been handled better than Fox->Nagy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said: I think he'd be pretty good there, simpler reads, better OL, and I think his development would have been handled better than Fox->Nagy But at the end of the day he would still be at best average. If he got into the playoffs he would lose the minute he's down by more than 1 score. I don't think that's a win at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Nads786 said: But at the end of the day he would still be at best average. If he got into the playoffs he would lose the minute he's down by more than 1 score. I don't think that's a win at all. Eh, I think he would have been one of those top 10-15 guys, might look better every now and then. No way to know of course, and Trubisky is about to be irrelevant to the Bears future* * Cue him going 6-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said: Eh, I think he would have been one of those top 10-15 guys, might look better every now and then. No way to know of course, and Trubisky is about to be irrelevant to the Bears future** Cue him going 6-0 Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, G08 said: Right? Then we flop with another terrible postseason performance, then he signs elsewhere for cheap so we don't even get the comp pick. #sadbearsthoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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