MSURacerDT55 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Im having problems with the word "elite" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Thielen has been underrated for a while, and I think mostly because: Stefon Diggs was there, so he was the #2 Now Justin Jefferson is there That being said, I do think Thielen is a top-10 WR and borderline top-5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 22 hours ago, Blackstar12 said: He’s nowhere near top 5 stop lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 White WRs have historically been underrated. McCaffrey, Walker, Edelman, Thielen...you name him. Stereotypes...the entire reason why CMC wasn’t perceived as the next Reggie Bush. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: White WRs have historically been underrated. McCaffrey, Walker, Edelman, Thielen...you name him. Stereotypes...the entire reason why CMC wasn’t perceived as the next Reggie Bush. McCaffrey was an interesting one for me on here. I had him as my top RB in that draft, and claimed he would be an elite RB in the NFL...Which in hindsight was a pretty solid evaluation. I remember arguing with someone saying that he didn't have "good burst", so he wasn't going to be able to succeed at this level, and also arguing with people stating he wasn't big enough to be an every down back despite there being several excellent RB's in the NFL that were a similar size. Won't delve to far on here into the obvious underlying reasons that likely were the reason these types of claims were made though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, tyler735 said: McCaffrey was an interesting one for me on here. I had him as my top RB in that draft, and claimed he would be an elite RB in the NFL...Which in hindsight was a pretty solid evaluation. I remember arguing with someone saying that he didn't have "good burst", so he wasn't going to be able to succeed at this level, and also arguing with people stating he wasn't big enough to be an every down back despite there being several excellent RB's in the NFL that were a similar size. Won't delve to far on here into the obvious underlying reasons that likely were the reason these types of claims were made though. JJ Watt is another obvious example 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdonnelly21 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, sammymvpknight said: White WRs have historically been underrated. McCaffrey, Walker, Edelman, Thielen...you name him. Stereotypes...the entire reason why CMC wasn’t perceived as the next Reggie Bush. I think you nailed it. Generally White WR's obv as athletic either. A lot of the more athletic WR's who are black end up getting overrated because of the highlight reel. I'm trying to be objective about it. No he isn't top 3 but I don't think it's good enough to just say he's top 10 either. But I'd at least be fine with top 10 otherwise he does get underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, tyler735 said: McCaffrey was an interesting one for me on here. I had him as my top RB in that draft, and claimed he would be an elite RB in the NFL...Which in hindsight was a pretty solid evaluation. I remember arguing with someone saying that he didn't have "good burst", so he wasn't going to be able to succeed at this level, and also arguing with people stating he wasn't big enough to be an every down back despite there being several excellent RB's in the NFL that were a similar size. Won't delve to far on here into the obvious underlying reasons that likely were the reason these types of claims were made though. His comp is LT imo, everything apart from long speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 hours ago, SBLIII said: So Tyler Boyd is the third best WR in the league? This is what you're saying, yes? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, DannyB said: So Tyler Boyd is the third best WR in the league? This is what you're saying, yes? Joe Burrow might be pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, TENINCH said: Joe Burrow might be pretty good I mean..sure? yeah? not sure what the hell that has to do with my point though. I assume in PFF's mind they adequately tweaked and futzed with their algorithms to try and separate how good the QB is. Ostensibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, DannyB said: I mean..sure? yeah? not sure what the hell that has to do with my point though. I assume in PFF's mind they adequately tweaked and futzed with their algorithms to try and separate how good the QB is. Ostensibly. PFF is the bible man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, TENINCH said: PFF is the bible man! Well that's the source that that dude is using the imply that Thielen is a top 5 WR. So if your point is PFF is fallible, then I'd say...yes, we're on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 This year he looks to have regained his form. But last year battling an injury he was far from even good. Nevermind elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 18 hours ago, sammymvpknight said: White WRs have historically been underrated. McCaffrey, Walker, Edelman, Thielen...you name him. Stereotypes...the entire reason why CMC wasn’t perceived as the next Reggie Bush. I think that label has lasted with running backs and corners, but not with WR as much over the year. Largent certainly wasn't underrated when he played. I guess if you are just going on draft position probably. In regards to CMC though, I feel like he was the first guy maybe ever where there wasn't a "yeah, but he's white soooo..." type of mentality. His father being a good player probably helped. Now we just need to erase that stigma for corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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