Karnage84 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just for fun, I thought it would be interesting to see how Quinn has done compared to his predecessor with the same HC. 2014 - 11-5 GM: Mayhew HC: Caldwell OFFENSE Ovr: 22nd Pass Yds: 12th Pass TDs: 17th Rush Yds: 28th Rush TDs: 19th Int's: 10th TO's: 9th DEFENSE w/Suh Ovr: 3rd Pass Yds: 13th Pass TDs: 11th Rush Yds: 1st Rush TDs: 5th Int's: 3-T Turnovers: 8th 2015 - 7-9 GM: Mayhew HC: Caldwell OFFENSE Ovr: 18th Pass Yds: 9th Pass TDs: 8th Rush Yds: 32nd Rush TDs: 25th Int's: 19th TO's: 19th DEFENSE - No Suh Ovr: 23rd Pass Yds: 15th Pass TDs: 18th Rush Yds: 19th Rush TDs: 30th Int's: 27th Turnovers: 25th 2016 - 9-7 GM: Quinn HC: Caldwell OFFENSE Ovr: 20th Pass Yds: 11th Pass TDs: 16th Rush Yds: 30th Rush TDs: 26th Int's: 10th TO's: 5th DEFENSE Ovr: 13th Pass Yds: 19th Pass TDs: 31st Rush Yds: 18th Rush TDs: 2nd Int's: 23rd Turnovers: 28th 2017 - 9-7 GM: Quinn HC: Caldwell OFFENSE Ovr: 7th Pass Yds: 6th Pass TDs: 5th Rush Yds: 32nd Rush TDs: 23rd Int's: 9th TO's: 18th DEFENSE Ovr: 21st Pass Yds: 27th Pass TDs: 10th Rush Yds: 18th Rush TDs: 31st Int's: 5th Turnovers: 3rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 AVG. of Mayhew (Quinn) Record: 18-14, 0.5625 (18-14, 0.5625) Division Rk/Playoffs: 2.5, 1 WC-L (2, 1 WC-L) OFFENSE Ovr: 20th (13.5th) Pass Yds: 10.5th (8.5th) Pass TDs: 12.5th (10.5th) Rush Yds: 30th (31st) Rush TDs: 22nd (24.5th) Int's: 14.5th (9.5th) TO's: 14th (11.5th) DEFENSE Ovr: 13th (17th) Pass Yds: 14th (23rd) Pass TDs: 14.5th (20.5th) Rush Yds: 10th (18th) Rush TDs: 17.5th (16.5th) Int's: 15th (14th) Turnovers: 16.5th (15.5th) Note: Mayhew's numbers include the 2014 season with Suh (3rd overall defense) and the 2015 season without him (23rd overall). It does skew things a bit but it is what it is over each 2 year period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 DRAFT Mayhew (2014/2015) 15 Picks 741 Games Played 405 Games Started = 54.6% Games Started 49.4 games/pick 27 starts/pick Quinn (2016/2017) 19 Picks 645 Games Played 293 Games Started = 45.4% Games Started 33.94 games/pick 15.4 games started/pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 That’s hard for my old eyes to read. Interesting comparisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 10 hours ago, diehardlionfan said: That’s hard for my old eyes to read. Interesting comparisons. I'm with you. Not sure there is a lot of useful determinations you can make from this aside from the fact that Mayhew drafted better and had a better record with his picks. Would be interesting to get the total PFF scores for all of their picks and compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimbaWho Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: I'm with you. Not sure there is a lot of useful determinations you can make from this aside from the fact that Mayhew drafted better and had a better record with his picks. Would be interesting to get the total PFF scores for all of their picks and compare. Did you know PFF has Okudah as the lowest CB in the league? How do you feel about that? Over-reaction? Doesn't matter? Too early? Edited October 7, 2020 by SimbaWho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, SimbaWho said: Did you know PFF has Okudah as the lowest CB in the league? How do you feel about that? Sounds about right based on what I have seen, albeit that hasnt been much. He has been abused most of the year. I still have hope for him but CB is hard to transition to the league especially with no pass rush. He has given up 75% completions against him, he has missed a few tackles and took some bad angles on others. Right now he is an easy target for QBs to pick on, which is why he only saw half of the snaps against New Orleans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SimbaWho said: Did you know PFF has Okudah as the lowest CB in the league? How do you feel about that? Over-reaction? Doesn't matter? Too early? I know you weren't asking me, but I think it's a complete overreaction. The guy went up against Davante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins to start his career, and had some decent moments against Hopkins. Not only that, but he's playing on a defense that can't pressure the QB whatsoever, and he's playing with a lot of cushion to prevent the big play. He has all of the tools. There's no concern. Edited October 7, 2020 by TL-TwoWinsAway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimbaWho Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) What's worrying me the most... Is that Amani Oruwariye is better than him. Noticeably better. A 5th round pick just last year is noticeably better than a 3rd overall pick at CB. A pick at 3rd overall for a CB isn't suppose to look like what we've seen. They're suppose to come in and... well be good. Didn't have to be great either but can't look like trash... Or you don't take a CB at 3. It's nothing really against Okudah, I mean I was a little worried he was over-hyped playing on a stacked defense but I'm really upset with coaches/management for forcing good players out, drafting replacements and them not even coming close to what we were sold. An ignoring or signing bad players for our pass rush. The last two/three off-seasons have been mind numbing for me. I mean it's just not hard to build a team to me. QB, Build both lines, Weapons, fill the spare parts in with the extra picks/cap/pieces you have to use. These guys have been doing it *** backwards to me with CB's/TE's/LB's/RB's and I just can't support it. I just don't believe teams are built that way. I've been questioning these guys right along since the Patricia hire(cause he wasn't proven) and really went off the rails when they selected Hock at 8. Since then I've just been full blown cheerleading them to lose lose lose so we can get better, or better guys in here to run things. I mean honestly, it's the most ridiculous thing ever that I could form my own brain-trust of TL/Diehard/Slim and us four could literally run the Lions scouting/player personnel department better than the actual Lions have with, quote on quote, "real professional." 😒 Edited October 7, 2020 by SimbaWho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, SimbaWho said: What's worrying me the most... Is that Amani Oruwariye is better than him. Noticeably better. A 5th round pick just last year is noticeably better than a 3rd overall pick at CB. A pick at 3rd overall for a CB isn't suppose to look like what we've seen. They're suppose to come in and... well be good. Didn't have to be great either but can't look like trash... Or you don't take a CB at 3. It's nothing really against Okudah, I mean I was a little worried he was over-hyped playing on a stacked defense but I'm really upset with coaches/management for forcing good players out, drafting replacements and them not even coming close to what we were sold. An ignoring or signing bad players for our pass rush. That doesn't really worry me at all. Not only was Oruwariye a pretty good prospect, and some felt should've been taken a lot higher, but he already has a year under his belt, and wasn't going against Davante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Sllim Pickens said: I'm with you. Not sure there is a lot of useful determinations you can make from this aside from the fact that Mayhew drafted better and had a better record with his picks. Would be interesting to get the total PFF scores for all of their picks and compare. I'm working on this but it's a bit of an overall effort. Looking at what the draft class PFF score was with the Lions and with other teams. Almost done Mayhew's classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Not only that, but he's playing on a defense that can't pressure the QB whatsoever, Who is to blame for the defense's inability to create pressure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Nnivolcm said: Who is to blame for the defense's inability to create pressure? Both Quinn and Patricia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I’m not going to judge a rookie CB who entered the league in a pandemic year. Training camp was a mess, practices weren’t as plentiful. The kid was short changed on normal preparation and has been thrown to the wolves because of injuries and a defence that doesn’t get enough pressure on the QB. Hes been expected to play like a number 1 corner on a defence that’s an absolute mess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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