RSkinGM Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, MKnight82 said: ? Guess he meant he passed on taking timeouts to extend the game ,, and hence a CHANCE to win . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, RSkinGM said: Guess he meant he passed on taking timeouts to extend the game ,, and hence a CHANCE to win . Oh gotcha. The word "playing" threw me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, e16bball said: This is really great stuff. It’s long, and I usually don’t have time to watch videos that are 20+ minutes in length, but thank God for “work from home.” It’s long time NFL backup QB J.T. O’Sullivan breaking down what he sees on a number of the more noteworthy pass plays from the BAL game. I can’t recommend watching it strongly enough. For those who don’t want to watch it, the short version is that he’s essentially concluding that it’s a situation where everyone has to take some fault in how it went in that particular game. He certainly has some criticism for Haskins on a number of plays. Issues like failing to recognize an unblocked rusher, not firing on some of these deep crossers (or “overs” as he calls them) that were there with McLaurin, and the inconsistent footwork/accuracy snafus that he still has. He also just crushes the pass protection on a couple plays. There’s one where they keep 6 in and the Ravens only brought 4, and somehow inexplicably Geron Christian still blocked down inside and left a totally free rusher that wrecked that deep wheel route to McKissic. On another, Wes Martin gets destroyed, and Logan Thomas was generally worthless in pass protection. Then he points out a number of issues with either scheme or teaching, where basically either the design or execution is flawed from the jump. One example was on 4th and goal from the 13, the play Turner called had only 2 receivers even running to the end zone. They have 5 eligibles, and 3 of them were running short routes. He also felt as though they were trying to use him as a square peg in a round hole, instead of playing to his talents like the Bills do with Josh Allen (or like KOC did with Haskins, I thought while he was saying that). The primary takeaway for me is that he felt the performance was indicative of some failures on the part of everyone — Haskins himself, of course, as well as the other players and the coaching staff. He said he wouldn’t have benched Haskins, though he could understand the things they were frustrated with. This is essentially what Dan Orlovsky was trying to say too. Yes, Haskins could be better, but the talent around him is lacking and inconsistent, the left side is young and inconsistent and Logan Thomas looks like a QB trying to block as a TE and has all year. On one run play ball vs the Eagles he missed two blocks. They need to play stet Sprinkle IMO and bring Thomas in on 2nd/3rd and long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said: KOC was a qb himself. He knew how to make plays for Haskins and was learning the full extent of his abilities. With Scot that last game. It looked more like instead of having plays cater to Haskins. He pick and chose plays of his own that he thought Haskins could work with. This is what I’m seeing too. Instead of adapting to what Haskins does well, they appear to be just largely calling their scheme and their concepts, and if he can’t execute it, then that’s on him. Which, I mean, they’re the coaches. I guess that’s their prerogative. If they think their stuff is the bee’s knees and there’s no other decent way to skin the cat, then that’s what they get paid for, I suppose. It’s just a little surprising and unexpected to see someone as young and inexperienced (and unaccomplished) as Turner be so rigid about things. Like you said, I thought KOC did a really good job of finding what Haskins did well and building around that. He’s both flawed and limited as a QB at this point, but there are things he can do really well. It’s disappointing to me that instead of looking at what KOC did and trying to build on it, they seem to have essentially ripped a lot of it down and taken him back to square one (or close to it). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, offbyone said: Give me a break. I am not letting Rivera off the hook for his endless inconsistencies. Rivera is only playing 90% of games and then quits. That is ok, but it isn't ok for Haskins to only give 90% during practice? Give you a break how? Ron's inconsistencies (which I am not a fan of either) during the end of the game have NOTHING to do with Haskin's effort. If the WAPO article is true, I am glad that he is benched. Complacency and entitlement are a disease that could rub off on other players. That is completely sickening .... and guess what would help with "in game" adjustments and hot routes? MORE PREPERATION. Like it or not - an NFL QB has to be the hardest working individual on the team. If Haskins is getting out prepped by an in active QB then see ya later. Ron has every right to make that call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Troublez said: Yup @mar29020 I read the summation posted earlier in the thread. That makes complete sense - and honestly, fits the mold. If true, you guys all owe Ron a HUGE apology. I cannot believe the backlash for his decision. But how do we trust this? Rivera could have done the accountable thing and told us what Haskins did. Instead, he didn't, and we get yet more leaks that contradict everything that we heard leading up to this season, such as his work ethic, personal responsibility (losing that weight is a big thing) and of course, he did enough for his teammates to elect him one of the captains. So what changed? This is the same damn thing we've had for the past 21 years here with this franchise. New GM, new coach, new name, none of that matters at this point. As someone else said, we're left hoping that the margins change and that's about it. I'm at my end here, and with the name change, I just don't really care anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, naptownskinsfan said: But how do we trust this? Rivera could have done the accountable thing and told us what Haskins did. Instead, he didn't, and we get yet more leaks that contradict everything that we heard leading up to this season, such as his work ethic, personal responsibility (losing that weight is a big thing) and of course, he did enough for his teammates to elect him one of the captains. So what changed? This is the same damn thing we've had for the past 21 years here with this franchise. New GM, new coach, new name, none of that matters at this point. As someone else said, we're left hoping that the margins change and that's about it. I'm at my end here, and with the name change, I just don't really care anymore. Valid point. In this instance, given how Ron reacted - i.e. Haskins not even taking snaps, seems more believable than not. Ron doesn't come off as a petty individual to me. But - I could see how any fan of the WFT could think otherwise. In this case, I happen to be on the other side of the fence than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Scott Turner was a QB for those who don’t know at Oakton HS where my cousins went to HS. He didn’t play in the pros obviously though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Troublez said: Valid point. In this instance, given how Ron reacted - i.e. Haskins not even taking snaps, seems more believable than not. Ron doesn't come off as a petty individual to me. But - I could see how any fan of the WFT could think otherwise. In this case, I happen to be on the other side of the fence than most. I actually think the majority of the fanbase is on that side of the fence. Just reviewing the comments on social media (FB and IG, I’m not much of a twitterer), the clear majority seems to feel strongly that benching Haskins was the right move. ...I’ll leave it to you whether that makes you feel better or worse about it 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, e16bball said: I actually think the majority of the fanbase is on that side of the fence. Just reviewing the comments on social media (FB and IG, I’m not much of a twitterer), the clear majority seems to feel strongly that benching Haskins was the right move. ...I’ll leave it to you whether that makes you feel better or worse about it 😂 Until they see Kyle Allen play that is... 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Troublez said: Give you a break how? Ron's inconsistencies (which I am not a fan of either) during the end of the game have NOTHING to do with Haskin's effort. If the WAPO article is true, I am glad that he is benched. Complacency and entitlement are a disease that could rub off on other players. That is completely sickening .... and guess what would help with "in game" adjustments and hot routes? MORE PREPERATION. Like it or not - an NFL QB has to be the hardest working individual on the team. If Haskins is getting out prepped by an in active QB then see ya later. Ron has every right to make that call. If you want to really change culture, you lead by example. You don't half *** games and not try to win and then not expect your players to give 100% constantly. The coach sets the tone, especially the coach who is also the GM. It is one thing that Rivera basically half assed the offseason. But to not finish games 2 and 3 and then be upset when his players are half assing practice is just not a fair bar. I hope they let him in on this before this decision was made. Like I will want to hear how the coaching staff let Haskins know that he was not working up to snuff and then they saw no response. The only big talking to we have heard about was friday before the game. Not really much time to adjust. Edited October 8, 2020 by offbyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Solid talk with Lombardi about Haskins here. Lombardi saying at a qb camp. Haskins showed up late the first day. Then stiffed him the next after making an appointment to meet up together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said: Solid talk with Lombardi about Haskins here. Lombardi saying at a qb camp. Haskins showed up late the first day. Then stiffed him the next after making an appointment to meet up together. This was good to watch - time stamp 4:45 onward..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said: Solid talk with Lombardi about Haskins here. Lombardi saying at a qb camp. Haskins showed up late the first day. Then stiffed him the next after making an appointment to meet up together. Yet again, the leaks continue. I bet it went down like this Rivera: Hello this is Coach Dan: Hey pal, it’s Dan, I wanted to run something by you real quick. Rivera: Sure, what’s up? Dan: See, it’s looking like the division is up for grabs. I think it’s time we made a QB change to win this one. You won with a sub .500 record. Think you can do it here? Rivera: Not with Dwayne, no. But I’ve got this culture to establish and the media has been very clear that he’s worked his tail off. Dan: don’t worry about any of that. We’ve got guys who can handle that. I’ll have my assistant call Mike Lombardi, Jason La Canfora and Les Carpenter. Anyone else you can think of? No? Good. See you on Sunday pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 40 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said: Solid talk with Lombardi about Haskins here. Lombardi saying at a qb camp. Haskins showed up late the first day. Then stiffed him the next after making an appointment to meet up together. I'm not a big Michael Lombardi fan but that is a very telling interview. I completely agree with him when he said the supporting cast doesn't make the QB better the QB makes the supporting cast better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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