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What are some coaching decisions in NFL history that the coaches got heat for but were not that bad For me Seattle passing on the goal line was not that bad here is why

Lynch was not good in short yard gains he had already been stopped twice that game

Seattle had only one timeout left if they do not make it they can only stop the clock once.

New England was playing for the inside run 

Now I do agree that was not a great pass play call maybe a fade or have Wilson roll out but plenty of teams pass on the one yard line.

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Agreed to some extent. That pick was at least as much about bad execution with Wilson hesitating ever so slightly and then throwing a weak ball and Lockette losing the battle for the ball with Butler. But at the same time, with the game on the line it's better to hand the ball to your best player rather than drawing up a pass play with the combination of Russel Wilson and Ricardo Lockette 😂

Kind of similar to how 49ers chose to go with a combination of 1 LaMichael James run and then 3 straight Kaepernick passes against the Ravens in Super Bowl 2013. 

To continue on the topic, Belichick's famous decision to go for it on 4th and 2 against the Colts in 2009 comes to mind. With the way the Patriots defense and offense had been playing I still believe that putting the game in Brady's hand was the right decision. 

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I don’t think the Seattle play was a bad call. Just a bad pass by Wilson.

 

also recently zimmer was getting trashed for running in 4th and 1 against Seattle. Thought it was the right call.

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3 hours ago, Ninersfan1984 said:

What are some coaching decisions in NFL history that the coaches got heat for but were not that bad For me Seattle passing on the goal line was not that bad here is why

Lynch was not good in short yard gains he had already been stopped twice that game

Seattle had only one timeout left if they do not make it they can only stop the clock once.

New England was playing for the inside run 

Now I do agree that was not a great pass play call maybe a fade or have Wilson roll out but plenty of teams pass on the one yard line.

Often lost in all this is the clock situation. Bill didn't call a TO (which most coaches would have), and maybe it dared them to pass? Carroll had 1 TO left, so they could have run 1 play with Lynch and if it failed, there's a timeout still and regroup. I think it could have been handled differently, but ultimately I agree, it was mostly an amazing play by Butler.

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The funniest part to the Seattle game is that both teams played each other a few weeks ago and it came down to a goal line situation and Bill was only going to get one play regardless so he ran it with his best player and got stuffed and everyone criticized him for going with the most obvious play 

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1 hour ago, lancerman said:

The funniest part to the Seattle game is that both teams played each other a few weeks ago and it came down to a goal line situation and Bill was only going to get one play regardless so he ran it with his best player and got stuffed and everyone criticized him for going with the most obvious play 

Fans will always assume they know best 

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 Bill Parcells gets flack in Super Bowl XXXI for kicking it to Howard, who took it back 99 yards when we (as underdogs) had just scored a TD to make it close.

 

But...so many reasons that's probably not Bill's fault;

a) he may not have told Adam to kick it to him...

b) he may have told him not to kick it to him, but Adam still did

c) kicking it out of bounds gets brought up as a solution, but who ever does that?

d) you trust your ST coverage to not surrender 99 yard TDs

 

 

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Not a big one, but one that always:

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Garrett didnt ice his own kicker as some sort of moment of stupidity. The special teams coach saw something he didnt like and ran like a bat out of hell to him yelling "call a time out!!!!". In the heat of the moment, you trust your coaches and if he is panicked you listen. 

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7 hours ago, Ninersfan1984 said:

What are some coaching decisions in NFL history that the coaches got heat for but were not that bad For me Seattle passing on the goal line was not that bad here is why

Lynch was not good in short yard gains he had already been stopped twice that game

Seattle had only one timeout left if they do not make it they can only stop the clock once.

New England was playing for the inside run 

Now I do agree that was not a great pass play call maybe a fade or have Wilson roll out but plenty of teams pass on the one yard line.

Rule #1, folks: DO NOT EVER CALL A FADE ROUTE NEAR THE GOAL LINE. Just don't do it. If you're ever thinking "Maybe a fade would work here?", just immediately punch yourself in the groin and call literally anything else, because unless you have Jimmy Graham lined up 1v1 against a 5'9 CB, throwing a fade to what is most likely your #2 or #3 WR who has the favorable matchup ain't gonna work.

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IMO, the only reason the play call in the Seattle/New England superbowl was bad, was that they had time and a timeout. It wasn't just a question of give it to Lynch or pass the ball, you could've done both, had you given it to Lynch first. Or done a WR screen, or a QB draw, or a FB dive, or a fade, or whatever play you want to run. Especially with what they called, with an  inbreaking route into all that traffic inside from a goal line defense. Like, if the logic is not to run straight into all those bodies, you just passed straight into them instead. Even if he doesn't jump the route, there's still the risk of a tip or something. If it was 4th down, I have no issue. If they think that was the best play they had, go nuts. On second, there's just no risk whatsoever to doing the safer play first, even if it's lower percentage of success. You could've done a dive to Lynch, then thrown a fade, and then if you throw a pick on a slant on 4th down I don't think anyone questions it.

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3 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Rule #1, folks: DO NOT EVER CALL A FADE ROUTE NEAR THE GOAL LINE. Just don't do it. If you're ever thinking "Maybe a fade would work here?", just immediately punch yourself in the groin and call literally anything else, because unless you have Jimmy Graham lined up 1v1 against a 5'9 CB, throwing a fade to what is most likely your #2 or #3 WR who has the favorable matchup ain't gonna work.

I mostly agree, because a fade is a terribly low percentage of success kind of play. I do think it has it's spots though, as a play that, when thrown even kind of correctly, there's almost no possibility for an outcome worse than an incomplete pass. Like no real chance for a sack or an INT unless the QB has no idea what he's doing with it. Like, first and goal on the 1 or 2, I think a fade is fine because you have two more plays anyways, so running a low risk, but low success rate play, isn't really hurting you.

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This is a joke, right?

It was an idiotic 'smartest guy in the room' grade Z play call.

Its a throw into bunched traffic at the goal line by design in the hopes that some mild cheating/poor sportsmanship in the form of a pick works out for you.

The throw by Wilson was not terrible. Its a routine throw and it was put on the receiver.

Its a timing throw so you let it go before the WR wins (95% of the time) or he losses (5% of the time)

The pick WR got destroyed.

The target WR got 100% abused and did not fight for position or for the ball.

 

Blaming Lynch for his 'lack of effectiveness' and Wilson for his 'bad throw' just makes you look as bad as Pete Carroll.

Truly funny stuff

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1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

This is a joke, right?

It was an idiotic 'smartest guy in the room' grade Z play call.

Its a throw into bunched traffic at the goal line by design in the hopes that some mild cheating/poor sportsmanship in the form of a pick works out for you.

The throw by Wilson was not terrible. Its a routine throw and it was put on the receiver.

Its a timing throw so you let it go before the WR wins (95% of the time) or he losses (5% of the time)

The pick WR got destroyed.

The target WR got 100% abused and did not fight for position or for the ball.

 

Blaming Lynch for his 'lack of effectiveness' and Wilson for his 'bad throw' just makes you look as bad as Pete Carroll.

Truly funny stuff

So much is wrong with this lol

-it was not “a smartest guy in the room” move. The defense was showing a heavy run stop formation and a pass worked best, due to time, they needed a pass anyways to have three plays instead of two (they were never going to be able to run three times and passing doesn’t change that you can run twice) and passing at the one hadn’t been intercepted all year. It was literally the no brainer play. 
 

-not a single person involved in the play thinks it was a good throw. Wilson and all the coaches and pretty much anyone who analyzed that play has conceded it was poor placement. If Wilson places it where he was supposed to, even if Butler does the exact same thing, the ball falls to the ground. If you can’t agree on this, you are just overreaching and it’s not worth discussing because you are pretty much saying you are smarter than coaches on both sides of the ball and the QB who threw it. 
 

-yes the WR was stopped too.

Lets look at all the things that needed to happen for that to be an interception 

1. A CB who was on the team the previous year identifies the formation and play and clues in the rookie. 

2. The rookie who screwed up that play in practice knew exactly how to play it because he screwed up defending it in practice. 

3. The first CB is able to successfully jam the pick to allow the other CB to make a play on the ball

4. The rookie CB makes an incredible play jumping the route. 

5. The WR is too soft and gets out muscled for positioning 

6. the QB has poor ball placement which is what makes it even possible to be intercepted in the first place 

7. the CB holds onto the ball after crashing into the WR. 
 

If one of those seven things don’t happen it’s either a completion that wins the SB or at worst an incompletion. An incompletion  stops the clock and allows them to run once with Lynch and, if they fail, call a timeout and get one more run off with Lynch. 

Basically a play needed to be identified and a two CB’s needed perfect execution and a WR and a QB needed poor execution to yield the result we got. 

At that point, you just chalk it up to a freak occurrence where one team just hit the jackpot with everything going right and everything going wrong for you. 

It’s absurdly over analyzed because of the result. From a play calling perspective it didn’t prevent you from running Lynch after, it made more sense to hedge your bets with an extra play, it was a low risk move, and it was playing against the defenses strengths.

 

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1 hour ago, lancerman said:

So much is wrong with this lol

-it was not “a smartest guy in the room” move. The defense was showing a heavy run stop formation and a pass worked best, due to time, they needed a pass anyways to have three plays instead of two (they were never going to be able to run three times and passing doesn’t change that you can run twice) and passing at the one hadn’t been intercepted all year. It was literally the no brainer play. 
 

-not a single person involved in the play thinks it was a good throw. Wilson and all the coaches and pretty much anyone who analyzed that play has conceded it was poor placement. If Wilson places it where he was supposed to, even if Butler does the exact same thing, the ball falls to the ground. If you can’t agree on this, you are just overreaching and it’s not worth discussing because you are pretty much saying you are smarter than coaches on both sides of the ball and the QB who threw it. 
 

-yes the WR was stopped too.

Lets look at all the things that needed to happen for that to be an interception 

1. A CB who was on the team the previous year identifies the formation and play and clues in the rookie. 

2. The rookie who screwed up that play in practice knew exactly how to play it because he screwed up defending it in practice. 

3. The first CB is able to successfully jam the pick to allow the other CB to make a play on the ball

4. The rookie CB makes an incredible play jumping the route. 

5. The WR is too soft and gets out muscled for positioning 

6. the QB has poor ball placement which is what makes it even possible to be intercepted in the first place 

7. the CB holds onto the ball after crashing into the WR. 
 

If one of those seven things don’t happen it’s either a completion that wins the SB or at worst an incompletion. An incompletion  stops the clock and allows them to run once with Lynch and, if they fail, call a timeout and get one more run off with Lynch. 

Basically a play needed to be identified and a two CB’s needed perfect execution and a WR and a QB needed poor execution to yield the result we got. 

At that point, you just chalk it up to a freak occurrence where one team just hit the jackpot with everything going right and everything going wrong for you. 

It’s absurdly over analyzed because of the result. From a play calling perspective it didn’t prevent you from running Lynch after, it made more sense to hedge your bets with an extra play, it was a low risk move, and it was playing against the defenses strengths.

 

They had plenty of time to ram the ball in with a run... twice.

History has already ruled on this. Everyone hates the play call for obvious reasons except for a few who have to also pretend to be the smartest guy in the room.

Hot Take Rejected!

 

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18 hours ago, Ninersfan1984 said:

What are some coaching decisions in NFL history that the coaches got heat for but were not that bad For me Seattle passing on the goal line was not that bad here is why

Lynch was not good in short yard gains he had already been stopped twice that game

Seattle had only one timeout left if they do not make it they can only stop the clock once.

New England was playing for the inside run 

Now I do agree that was not a great pass play call maybe a fade or have Wilson roll out but plenty of teams pass on the one yard line.

Yeah i wasn't really disappointed that the Seahawks passed just wish it was a play action.

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