topwop1 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: He's a good head coach who keeps the team playing through adversity. There are plenty of guys out there who can design fantastic offenses but can't do what Nagy does. Why is he a good head coach, please explain? He has been carried by the defense throughout his entire tenure here. Whenever the team wins it's usually in spite of the offense. Case in point last night the defense outscored the offense. IMO he is extremely lucky to have the record he has. The only thing I will say is guys haven't given up on him...yet. But that will start to change the longer the offense continues to struggle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreak Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, topwop1 said: Why is he a good head coach, please explain? He has been carried by the defense throughout his entire tenure here. Whenever the team wins it's usually in spite of the offense. Case in point last night the defense outscored the offense. IMO he is extremely lucky to have the record he has. The only thing I will say is guys haven't given up on him...yet. But that will start to change the longer the offense continues to struggle. I think this is getting dangerously close to happening... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, topwop1 said: Why is he a good head coach, please explain? He has been carried by the defense throughout his entire tenure here. Whenever the team wins it's usually in spite of the offense. Case in point last night the defense outscored the offense. IMO he is extremely lucky to have the record he has. The only thing I will say is guys haven't given up on him...yet. But that will start to change the longer the offense continues to struggle. He motivates his team and keeps the locker room together. You can't put together a defensive football team and then criticize the head coach for winning with defense. That's how the Bears are built. Nagy has guided that team to a good record so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreak Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, abstract_thought said: He motivates his team and keeps the locker room together. You can't put together a defensive football team and then criticize the head coach for winning with defense. That's how the Bears are built. Nagy has guided that team to a good record so far. "so far" being the key words. They are much worse then their 5-2 record though, I think most observers would agree on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, abstract_thought said: He motivates his team and keeps the locker room together. You can't put together a defensive football team and then criticize the head coach for winning with defense. That's how the Bears are built. Nagy has guided that team to a good record so far. Motivates them to suck and constantly make boneheaded plays on O? And your damn right I can criticize him for that. He's been the head coach for 3 offseasons now and an offensive coach for that matter. He should have known the weak links on the O-line and made it a priority to address that area in the offseason. Pace deserves equal criticism for this but you cannot absolve Nagy from the offenses struggles just because the team is built a certain way. They work together as one. People keep giving the guy excuses. It's maddening. If he was really a good coach he would know his limitations, swallow his pride and delegate the OC responsibilities to someone else like Lazor or Flip or heck even Ragone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, topwop1 said: Motivates them to suck and constantly make boneheaded plays on O? And your damn right I can criticize him for that. He's been the head coach for 3 offseasons now and an offensive coach for that matter. He should have known the weak links on the O-line and made it a priority to address that area in the offseason. Pace deserves equal criticism for this but you cannot absolve Nagy from the offenses struggles just because the team is built a certain way. They work together as one. People keep giving the guy excuses. It's maddening. If he was really a good coach he would know his limitations, swallow his pride and delegate the OC responsibilities to someone else like Lazor or Flip or heck even Ragone. The offensive issues are heavily tied to personnel. There's not an offensive genius in the league who could turn this group into a good offense. And while Nagy may have a say in choices of players, he doesn't get to dictate things like roster construction and how much of the salary cap is spent on specific position groups (hint: the Bears spend a lot on defense). I agree that Nagy isn't a good offensive coach. But he has a career record of 25-15. Despite his own flaws and the flaws of the roster, he's been able to win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Nagy just met the media and says they've looked at changing playcallers but they don't believe that's the issue Either delusional, a shot at Pace or both. Whichever the reason, f*** all of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Nagy just met the media and says they've looked at changing playcallers but they don't believe that's the issue Either delusional, a shot at Pace or both. Whichever the reason, f*** all of them Nothing changes. Fire them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 49 minutes ago, topwop1 said: Why is he a good head coach, please explain? He has been carried by the defense throughout his entire tenure here. Whenever the team wins it's usually in spite of the offense. Case in point last night the defense outscored the offense. IMO he is extremely lucky to have the record he has. The only thing I will say is guys haven't given up on him...yet. But that will start to change the longer the offense continues to struggle. He's a _likable_ coach with a good record. I still like Nagy and want him to succeed but last night was the closest I've come to going full Windy. I thought they were going to lose that game but didn't think it was going to look like that. If we don't at least try to add some help on the OL, and the results follow, I will be on team Firepace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said: He's a _likable_ coach with a good record. I still like Nagy and want him to succeed but last night was the closest I've come to going full Windy. I thought they were going to lose that game but didn't think it was going to look like that. If we don't at least try to add some help on the OL, and the results follow, I will be on team Firepace I'd like him a lot more if he lived up to his coaching background and produced results on O. He is the Dan Quinn of offensive coaches and won't last too long as a HC if this continues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said: He's a _likable_ coach with a good record. I still like Nagy and want him to succeed but last night was the closest I've come to going full Windy. I thought they were going to lose that game but didn't think it was going to look like that. If we don't at least try to add some help on the OL, and the results follow, I will be on team Firepace How many more years will we wait for Pace to address the OL? He's had 6 offseasons. You're willing to give him another 1 or 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said: He's a _likable_ coach with a good record. I still like Nagy and want him to succeed but last night was the closest I've come to going full Windy. I thought they were going to lose that game but didn't think it was going to look like that. If we don't at least try to add some help on the OL, and the results follow, I will be on team Firepace Why didn't he address the OL after 2019? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, topwop1 said: I'd like him a lot more if he lived up to his coaching background and produced results on O. He is the Dan Quinn of offensive coaches and won't last too long as a HC if this continues. It would help to actually give him some offensive talent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: It would help to actually give him some offensive talent... He has been here for 3 years, he doesn't get to plead the 5th when it comes to the offensive talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreak Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) If changes are not made this is going to turn very ugly in the next few weeks.... Edited October 27, 2020 by dafreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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