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1 minute ago, jrry32 said:

Does Wilson get Ohio State's offensive talent in this scenario? It's Indiana, dude. 

If you do not realize that Indiana has multiple NFL prospects on defense and many in the secondary, you are obviously not paying attention at all.    They are easily one of the better defensive back groups in the nation.  

 

But no he is the best QB prospect on earth, just like KJ Costello was to many week 1.  Context does mean something though.  And is a question in terms of how Zach Wilson has looked this season, so will see when the bowl comes around.  Little harder when you play a D that can actually move and run.  Taysom Hill for example his RS SR year on BYU played Boise State, Mississippi State, Michigan State, West Virginia, UCLA and Utah all in one season.  Think that was a little harder to go up against?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

If you do not realize that Indiana has multiple NFL prospects on defense and many in the secondary, you are obviously not paying attention at all.    They are easily one of the better defensive back groups in the nation.  

 

But no he is the best QB prospect on earth, just like KJ Costello was to many week 1.  Context does mean something though.  And is a question in terms of how Zach Wilson has looked this season, so will see when the bowl comes around.  Little harder when you play a D that can actually move and run.  Taysom Hill for example his RS SR year on BYU played Boise State, Mississippi State, Michigan State, West Virginia, UCLA and Utah all in one season.  Think that was a little harder to go up against?

 

 

Wow. Indiana has "multiple" NFL prospects on defense.

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8 hours ago, jrry32 said:

Wow. Indiana has "multiple" NFL prospects on defense.

Tiawan Mullen SOPH CB
Jamar Johnson JR S
Micah McFadden JR ILB
Cam Jones JR LB
Jerome Johnson RS SR DT
Marcelino Ball RS SR OLB/S (injured all season)
Devon Matthews JR S
Reese Taylor JR CB
Jaylin Williams 

 

Did not include Stanford transfer Jovan Swann because he has not played much this year but he showed some ability at Stanford playing in a 3/4 and could possibly do so at the next level.  Sure most could be UDFA types and still have to develop, who knows if Ball will even play with his injury history but at times showed potential as a S/LB type if he can stay healthy.  Mullen is a great slot corner prospect and has potential to be a high pick, Jamar has played as good as any safety I have seen this year, McFadden can run at linebacker and make plays, so can Cam Jones and Jerome can get pressure as a DT but is more a late round guy to a UDFA guy.  Matthews has potential and Reese has flashed at times this year, same with Jaylin.  Long shot guys?  Maybe but as a unit they are as deep as any defensive backfield in the country in terms of bodies and production out there, again if that DL was better and they had better pass rushers they would be a lot more productive though like any defense would.  What they did against one of the best offenses in Ohio State is impressive, sure gave up a ton of yards but did hurt they could not run or control the ball offensively without Caleb Jones in to block the 6-8 360 OT.  Any defense needs a run game and a guy like Stevie Scott to control the clock, did not happen in that game but they also affected Justin Fields one of the most productive QBs in the nation more than any defense has arguably.   And Ohio State has multiple defensive players who will play in the NFL, and they got rocked also, that mean Werner or Browning did not play great games?  Wade is a 1st round pick also and got beat but also made that great pick six.

 

 

Around the nation Oregon is arguably the best secondary in the nation but Graham, Holland and Breeze all opted out so they are out for being that elite, Pickett and Lenoir are the only two that played this year out of that high level group so that is disappointing. Georgia is a great secondary with three good corners but LeCounte is huge for them and without him this past week or two they have not looked the same back there, shows how good LeCounte is.  LSU is obviously greatly overrated at DB and with the guys sitting out hurts them also, Stingley has just been ok nothing great but Ricks is an up and coming corner opposite him, Flott is bad though and so is Harris at safety and some other guys.  USC has some ability at all levels in the defensive backfield especially at safety but have been so so this year as a unit.  Florida is up there because Elam is absolutely elite level, Wilson is just ok, Dean is good and so are the safeties who can run, they are up there.  Florida State on paper is good but Nasirildeen has not played for the entire season, Dotson has kind of disappointed as a transfer, Lars-Woodbey has been nothing great, same with Dent but Samuel Jr has been one of the better corners in the nation.  South Carolina had two good corners in Mukuamu and Horn, have not played amazing as a unit but does not matter now since they both opted out since Will got fired.  Notre Dame is right up there and has been as good as any with Hamilton and Crawford at safety, McCloud has been good at corner and Pryor has been good at times also and Bracey at the other corner.  Northwestern arguably could be the best secondary in terms of results and overall play.  Newsome has been great, Pace is a damn good all around safety, Joseph has been amazing as a freshman, Hampton has been solid also and Ruiz.  But arguably the best guys on that D are the linebackers so they help a ton with the range they have.

 

Indiana is easily up there with any of those groups no doubt about it looking just at the defensive backs and the number of them that can play.  At the top or right up there next to the top.  Sure no one is in the stands but that makes it actually hard to play defense not easier, so the guys who have done well with few or no one at the games should be commended for it based on how many units gets absolutely destroyed out there defensively in this day and age.  Especially with no crowd to help and or motivate the unit.  

 

So to play off as oh Indiana is awful, again maybe you have not been paying close attention, they have been a scrappy defensive unit for the last few years, now they got some players who have developed nicely and are playing high level football in this odd time.  Sure all for Florida mind you, almost all of them outside of two from Tennessee and one from Mississippi and one from Georgia.  But Mullen, Jamar, McFadden and Matthews are all from Florida though. 

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2 hours ago, Ozzy said:

Tiawan Mullen SOPH CB
Jamar Johnson JR S
Micah McFadden JR ILB
Cam Jones JR LB
Jerome Johnson RS SR DT
Marcelino Ball RS SR OLB/S (injured all season)
Devon Matthews JR S
Reese Taylor JR CB
Jaylin Williams 

 

Did not include Stanford transfer Jovan Swann because he has not played much this year but he showed some ability at Stanford playing in a 3/4 and could possibly do so at the next level.  Sure most could be UDFA types and still have to develop, who knows if Ball will even play with his injury history but at times showed potential as a S/LB type if he can stay healthy.  Mullen is a great slot corner prospect and has potential to be a high pick, Jamar has played as good as any safety I have seen this year, McFadden can run at linebacker and make plays, so can Cam Jones and Jerome can get pressure as a DT but is more a late round guy to a UDFA guy.  Matthews has potential and Reese has flashed at times this year, same with Jaylin.  Long shot guys?  Maybe but as a unit they are as deep as any defensive backfield in the country in terms of bodies and production out there, again if that DL was better and they had better pass rushers they would be a lot more productive though like any defense would.  What they did against one of the best offenses in Ohio State is impressive, sure gave up a ton of yards but did hurt they could not run or control the ball offensively without Caleb Jones in to block the 6-8 360 OT.  Any defense needs a run game and a guy like Stevie Scott to control the clock, did not happen in that game but they also affected Justin Fields one of the most productive QBs in the nation more than any defense has arguably.   And Ohio State has multiple defensive players who will play in the NFL, and they got rocked also, that mean Werner or Browning did not play great games?  Wade is a 1st round pick also and got beat but also made that great pick six.

 

 

Around the nation Oregon is arguably the best secondary in the nation but Graham, Holland and Breeze all opted out so they are out for being that elite, Pickett and Lenoir are the only two that played this year out of that high level group so that is disappointing. Georgia is a great secondary with three good corners but LeCounte is huge for them and without him this past week or two they have not looked the same back there, shows how good LeCounte is.  LSU is obviously greatly overrated at DB and with the guys sitting out hurts them also, Stingley has just been ok nothing great but Ricks is an up and coming corner opposite him, Flott is bad though and so is Harris at safety and some other guys.  USC has some ability at all levels in the defensive backfield especially at safety but have been so so this year as a unit.  Florida is up there because Elam is absolutely elite level, Wilson is just ok, Dean is good and so are the safeties who can run, they are up there.  Florida State on paper is good but Nasirildeen has not played for the entire season, Dotson has kind of disappointed as a transfer, Lars-Woodbey has been nothing great, same with Dent but Samuel Jr has been one of the better corners in the nation.  South Carolina had two good corners in Mukuamu and Horn, have not played amazing as a unit but does not matter now since they both opted out since Will got fired.  Notre Dame is right up there and has been as good as any with Hamilton and Crawford at safety, McCloud has been good at corner and Pryor has been good at times also and Bracey at the other corner.  Northwestern arguably could be the best secondary in terms of results and overall play.  Newsome has been great, Pace is a damn good all around safety, Joseph has been amazing as a freshman, Hampton has been solid also and Ruiz.  But arguably the best guys on that D are the linebackers so they help a ton with the range they have.

 

Indiana is easily up there with any of those groups no doubt about it looking just at the defensive backs and the number of them that can play.  At the top or right up there next to the top.  Sure no one is in the stands but that makes it actually hard to play defense not easier, so the guys who have done well with few or no one at the games should be commended for it based on how many units gets absolutely destroyed out there defensively in this day and age.  Especially with no crowd to help and or motivate the unit.  

 

So to play off as oh Indiana is awful, again maybe you have not been paying close attention, they have been a scrappy defensive unit for the last few years, now they got some players who have developed nicely and are playing high level football in this odd time.  Sure all for Florida mind you, almost all of them outside of two from Tennessee and one from Mississippi and one from Georgia.  But Mullen, Jamar, McFadden and Matthews are all from Florida though. 

I'm saying that Ohio State's offense is significantly more talented than Indiana's defense. Pretending that Wilson playing Indiana with BYU's offense around him is equal is pretty ridiculous. Indiana appears to have a good squad this year. I'm not saying Wilson is better than Fields. I'm only saying at least make it fair.

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6 hours ago, jrry32 said:

I'm saying that Ohio State's offense is significantly more talented than Indiana's defense. Pretending that Wilson playing Indiana with BYU's offense around him is equal is pretty ridiculous. Indiana appears to have a good squad this year. I'm not saying Wilson is better than Fields. I'm only saying at least make it fair.

When did I say Ohio State has less talent than Indiana's defense?  Ohio State has four possibly five first round picks right now, Indiana maybe Mullen with another good junior season could be a 1st rounder but that is probably it.  So even more impressive what Indiana did to Fields at times in the game, something no other defense has been able to do in his career, especially in terms of confusing him and making him turn the ball over.  

But last time I checked, I would take as a unit that Indiana secondary over the Ohio State secondary right now.  Sure they got Wade but the rest are pretty suspect, Indiana on the other hand have many up and coming players especially at defensive back.  And watch around the nation, not many schools have multiple defensive backs who can play, few even have two who can play much less five.  

They are a great unit defensively in college and with continued progression many have a chance I feel at the next level.

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13 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

When did I say Ohio State has less talent than Indiana's defense?  Ohio State has four possibly five first round picks right now, Indiana maybe Mullen with another good junior season could be a 1st rounder but that is probably it.  So even more impressive what Indiana did to Fields at times in the game, something no other defense has been able to do in his career, especially in terms of confusing him and making him turn the ball over.  

But last time I checked, I would take as a unit that Indiana secondary over the Ohio State secondary right now.  Sure they got Wade but the rest are pretty suspect, Indiana on the other hand have many up and coming players especially at defensive back.  And watch around the nation, not many schools have multiple defensive backs who can play, few even have two who can play much less five.  

They are a great unit defensively in college and with continued progression many have a chance I feel at the next level.

Nobody is talking about Ohio State's defense.

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22 minutes ago, .Buzz said:

 

Sounds like what I've said about Trask, except I'd take him if I were one of the very talented teams at the end of the first round with an aging QB. He'd be a particularly good fit in New Orleans, especially if they can improve their secondary receiving targets. EDIT: One other thing people need to keep in mind at the end of the first round is the value of the fifth year option for QBs.

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