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Well, it was an interesting game.   While not really a fan of how they won a win is a win. Gurley scoring was a nice break. The Lions have had so many bad calls, bad breaks that it’s nice to see things even out. In any event every game has a few weird plays and mistakes.

The game. Is it just me or does the interior line become more effective with Penisini on the field? Overall I felt the defence did a great job against the run. The dine, in my view played their best game to date. Each player made a meaningful contribution. The defence has some swagger, has improved their tackling and is starting to play with intensity. 

Okwara has certainly been coming into his own. Oruwariye has got my attention. Another player improving.

Amendola with a terribly stupid penalty which could’ve had disastrous consequences. Just not smart.

The oline struggled today. 

Nice game ending drive by Stafford. TJ came so wide open I thought Stafford might overthrow him.

So they sit at 3-3 with Indy coming to town.  Hopefully Coleman is back.

I’m not going to change my mind on Quinn and Patricia just yet given the opponents records but a win is better than a loss and the past few weeks have shown some positives.

 

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Doesn’t feel like we’re a terrible choke and a dropped routine catch and pass away from being 4-2. 

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9 hours ago, diehardlionfan said:

Well, it was an interesting game.   While not really a fan of how they won a win is a win. Gurley scoring was a nice break. The Lions have had so many bad calls, bad breaks that it’s nice to see things even out. In any event every game has a few weird plays and mistakes.

The game. Is it just me or does the interior line become more effective with Penisini on the field? Overall I felt the defence did a great job against the run. The dine, in my view played their best game to date. Each player made a meaningful contribution. The defence has some swagger, has improved their tackling and is starting to play with intensity. 

Okwara has certainly been coming into his own. Oruwariye has got my attention. Another player improving.

Amendola with a terribly stupid penalty which could’ve had disastrous consequences. Just not smart.

The oline struggled today. 

Nice game ending drive by Stafford. TJ came so wide open I thought Stafford might overthrow him.

So they sit at 3-3 with Indy coming to town.  Hopefully Coleman is back.

I’m not going to change my mind on Quinn and Patricia just yet given the opponents records but a win is better than a loss and the past few weeks have shown some positives.

 

The defense and especially the dline, are starting to gel.  I agree, they look much better with Pensini on the field.  Sports illustrated stated all our wins this year have come when our secondary plays zone defense more than man .  I think if Matty P can keep playing zone we are going to give the offense a chance to win the game as we did today. This team, I don't think, has the talent to win pretty.  But a win is a win. The defense just has to be serviceable and let the offense do their thing.  I think we stand a good chance to go on a run now with the upcoming schedule.  That might be enough to give this team confidence to compete going into the last quarter of the season.  I think things just got interesting.

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/lions-secondary-zone-defense

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Idk if I'm going to change my tune completely here ove a 1 point lucky win over a bad ATL team, or a win over the Jags. I'll take them, yes, but not changing my opinions on Quinn/Patricia. IF Lions go pull some of this stuff vs a team like TB or GB. K, we'll talk about progression then. 

Cool to see them win, I have been gambling at the casino on Sundays so, Lions won me $ actually this week! So yeah, good for them to win but doesn't change my thoughts on Patricia/Quinn. 

I'm not patting someone on the back for something they're suppose to do. I expect them/Lions to beat these trash teams. When they do something I don't think they're capable of then, yes, full praise and a nice pat on the back with maybe even a slight rub is in order. 

They're likely sick of me, but the same fans pull the same lines/crap after a win like. "Great coached game" when Patricia hasn't been a good coach. Idk, You can't change the narrative of the guy on one win over a bad team lol. How about when they went for and it didn't get it causing the whole game to be much closer than need be? I didn't understand why you go for it early vs just accept the 3 point lead but whatever, good coaching I guess. Aggressiveness is good if it works but, meh? It'll get brushed aside cause they won.

* Only thing I praise coach for this game was the legit challenge he pulled today that I don't think I've seen the whole time he's been here. That was...! actually a good challenge. 

* They are also SOOOO LUCKY Stafford is a good QB and can hide things and win them games. 

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20 minutes ago, SimbaWho said:

Idk if I'm going to change my tune completely here ove a 1 point lucky win over a bad ATL team, or a win over the Jags. I'll take them, yes, but not changing my opinions on Quinn/Patricia. IF Lions go pull some of this stuff vs a team like TB or GB. K, we'll talk about progression then. 

Cool to see them win, I have been gambling at the casino on Sundays so, Lions won me $ actually this week! So yeah, good for them to win but doesn't change my thoughts on Patricia/Quinn. 

I'm not patting someone on the back for something they're suppose to do. I expect them/Lions to beat these trash teams. When they do something I don't think they're capable of then, yes, full praise and a nice pat on the back with maybe even a slight rub is in order. 

I'm with you.  This team with it's soft schedule should be in contention for the playoffs.  I hold them in the same regard as I did Caldwell, they might get there, but they aren't good enough to get it done. If I see them win out in the division, and the defense to continue to perform like the last two games then I'll change my tune.

If BQ let's Golladay walk, I'll be completely over him if I am not already.

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20 hours ago, Louis Friend said:

Once we play a good team and win, we will celebrate. 

After Arizona's win against Seattle, is it possible that the Cardinals may actually be a good team?

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2 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

After Arizona's win against Seattle, is it possible that the Cardinals may actually be a good team?

No, because the Lions beat them and the Lions don't beat good teams. Now that we're on a 2 game winning streak we should fire Patricia so that he doesn't ruin this for us and maybe gets us above 0.500. 

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39 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

After Arizona's win against Seattle, is it possible that the Cardinals may actually be a good team?

I think if Seattle and Arizona were to play 5 times Seattle wins 4 of them. I also think if Detroit and Arizona were to play 5 times Arizona wins 4 of them. 

It took a +3 TO differential and a last minute field goal to beat Arizona. For a defense with seemingly built for not generating turnovers three INTs is exceptionally rare. 

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1 minute ago, Nnivolcm said:

I think if Seattle and Arizona were to play 5 times Seattle wins 4 of them. I also think if Detroit and Arizona were to play 5 times Arizona wins 4 of them. 

It took a +3 TO differential and a last minute field goal to beat Arizona. For a defense with seemingly built for not generating turnovers three INTs is exceptionally rare. 

But when the Lions lose to a "bad" team after a string of fluky circumstances and a slew of key injuries, it's never "the Lions win that game 4 out of 5 times". It's "winning is all that matters and the Lions lost". When we win, it's "well, the Lions win that game only 20% of the time, so they aren't good".

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12 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

But when the Lions lose to a "bad" team after a string of fluky circumstances and a slew of key injuries, it's never "the Lions win that game 4 out of 5 times". It's "winning is all that matters and the Lions lost". When we win, it's "well, the Lions win that game only 20% of the time, so they aren't good".

I don't think there are many teams the Lions would beat 4 out of 5 times. Maybe the Jets if they continue to trade away players?

I think you're taking each game in a vacuum and ignoring the overall context. The context is this regime has established an identity were a collapse is seemingly built into their game plan. 

For example, by itself it might appear like losing to the Bears at home after leading by 17 in the fourth quarter was just "a string of fluky circumstances and a slew of key injuries", but they’ve blown 11 second-half leads in 37 games under Matt Patricia, and have pittered away leads of 17, 11 and 14 points in their three losses this year. When there is always a string of fluky circumstances it stops being a string of fluky circumstances.

The Lions actually tried to lose another game after leading in the 4th quarter against Atlanta. If it wasn't for the combo of dumb coaching and dumb running that lead to Gurley falling into the end zone Atlanta would have most certainly walked away with a win. 

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2 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said:

I don't think there are many teams the Lions would beat 4 out of 5 times. Maybe the Jets if they continue to trade away players?

I think you're taking each game in a vacuum and ignoring the overall context. The context is this regime has established an identity were a collapse is seemingly built into their game plan. 

For example, by itself it might appear like losing to the Bears at home after leading by 17 in the fourth quarter was just "a string of fluky circumstances and a slew of key injuries", but they’ve blown 11 second-half leads in 37 games under Matt Patricia, and have pittered away leads of 17, 11 and 14 points in their three losses this year. When there is always a string of fluky circumstances it stops being a string of fluky circumstances.

The Lions actually tried to lose another game after leading in the 4th quarter against Atlanta. If it wasn't for the combo of dumb coaching and dumb running that lead to Gurley falling into the end zone Atlanta would have most certainly walked away with a win. 

At what point does the 2018 season (and, really, the majority of the 2019 season) stop being relevant? (Serious question. Is there a point in time when that happens?)

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Just now, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

At what point does the 2018 season (and, really, the majority of the 2019 season) stop being relevant? (Serious question. Is there a point in time when that happens?)

How much context do you want to ignore?

My serious answer is when the established pattern changes for a significant amount of time or when there is a new regime in charge. 

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1 minute ago, Nnivolcm said:

How much context do you want to ignore?

My serious answer is when the established pattern changes for a significant amount of time or when there is a new regime in charge. 

It's almost a completely different football team from 2018, and isn't a team starting Blough or Driskel at QB. Context should at least be somewhat relevant.

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Just now, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

It's almost a completely different football team from 2018, and isn't a team starting Blough or Driskel at QB. Context should at least be somewhat relevant.

I've never understood why you think some context should be relevant and other context shouldn't be.

The team has changed quite a bit in the last two and a half seasons, but Quintricia has remained the same and we're still seeing the same issues in 2020 we've seen since Quintricia was spawned. 

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1 hour ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

But when the Lions lose to a "bad" team after a string of fluky circumstances and a slew of key injuries, it's never "the Lions win that game 4 out of 5 times". It's "winning is all that matters and the Lions lost". When we win, it's "well, the Lions win that game only 20% of the time, so they aren't good".

Doesn’t that same logic apply to the apologist ? Your optimistic approach all offseason seemed centered on close loses to KC and GB early last season.   
 

The lions won the game yesterday,  good for them.  The coaches had arguably there best game of the season ,  good for them.  In a vacuum this would be great.  When your a contender with championship aspersions a win is a win because you know you have a good team.  This team is not very good and are in no way competing for there own division let alone something larger.  So I’m more concerned with how they actually play than whether or not the other team went off and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  The difference between a few bounces making this a 8-8 vs 6-10 team is pretty irrelevant big picture 

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