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12 minutes ago, Woz said:

Bet the Chargers would rather better luck on their offensive linemen not getting wracked with injuries year after year.

Most years, they've been competitive, but ultimately second in the division behind either the Broncos or the Chiefs.

All they needed was for Kyle Allen to remember that he had Devonta Freeman rushing for 6+ yards a pop (and sprinkle in some Tevin Coleman) to salt away the Super Bowl. At the end of the third quarter (the Patriots had just scored a touchdown, but Gostkowski missed the extra point), it was 28-9. The Falcons received the ball at the Patriots 41 because of a failed onsides kick attempt. There was 2:05 on the clock.

They passed it three times and ran it once (and the run was called back due to a holding call).

All they had to do was just smash it up the middle pointlessly for three times, burn about 2-2.5 minutes there, and they're hoisting a Lombardi trophy.

But that didn't happen.

BUT THEY HAD THE CHANCE TO! Something Washington hasn't had in a LONG time.

Yep, good quarterbacks will be put on bad teams. And they won't get to the Super Bowl, but then again, only two teams out of 32 get that shot every year.

Super Bowl 50 was in Cam's prime.

Prior to Josh Allen's arrival, the Bills had just broken a 19 year dry spell of not making the playoffs in 2017.

They followed that up with .. a 6-10 record in Josh Allen's rookie year.

Keep in mind that Buffalo was only able to get Josh Allen because they first traded Cordy Glenn, 1.21, and 5.21 to Cincinnati for 1.12 and 6.13 before the 2017 season and then during the draft traded 1.12, 2.21, and 2.24 (*) for 1.07 and 7.37.

(*) 2.24 was acquired (alongside EJ Gaines) by sending Sammy Watkins and 6.21 to the LA Rams. Gaines left after the 2018 season, went to the Browns for a season, came back to the Bills in 2019 but ended up on IR (followed by an injury settlement release) in the preseason, re-signed with the Bills in April of 2020 and then announced he would sit out due to COVID in August.

So, a 1st, a 2nd, a 5th, a good LT, and a good WR for Josh Allen, a 6th (Ray-Ray McCloud, who they waived after one season), a 7th (Austin Proehl (son of Ricky Proehl), who hasn't taken a snap in the NFL), and one season from a corner.

And they're probably happy with that because they got their quarterback.

 

But all that said, Sean McDermott had been the head coach for one year prior to Allen's arrival. The GM (Brandon Beane) wasn't hired until May 9th, so he had little to no impact on the shaping of the roster (and consequently, the culture). But who was there at the end of 2017 season that was there at the end of the following year (names that are bolded were also present in 2019 (Allen's sophomore season)). Any code in square brackets is where they ended the season.

Quarterbacks: <none>
Runningbacks: Patrick DiMarco, Taiwan Jones [2017 IR, 2018 IR], LeSean McCoy, Marcus Murphy
Wide Receivers: Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson
Tight Ends: Charles Clay, Jason Croom [2017 PS, 2019 IR], Logan Thomas, Keith Towbridge [2017 IR, 2018 PS]
Offensive Linemen: Dion Dawkins, Vladimir Ducasse, Ryan Groy, Conor McDermott, John Miller, Jordan Mills
Defensive Linemen: Jerry Hughes, Shaq Lawson [2017 IR], Kyle Williams, Eddie Yarbrough
Linebackers: Lorenzo Alexander, Deon Lacey, Matt Milano [2018 IR]
Defensive Backs: Micah Hyde, Dean Marlowe [2017 PS], Lafayette Pitts, Jordan Poyer, Tre'Davious White
Specialists: Cory Carter [2017 PS, 2018 IR], Reid Ferguson, Steven Hauschka

So, 13 of 53 made it through from the "culturing" year to the year after Allen was drafted. And two of those were specialists. So, 22% of non-special teams player.

Color me impressed!

Given that 14 of 16 games on the schedule are already determined ahead of time, I'm not sure how you would get the best teams in this way.

*insert "Why not both?" gif here*

You have a better chance to get better talent if you are higher up the draft. Again, it isn't just the first round, but the other rounds as well. Especially 2nd and 4th, when you can plan for your moves ahead of the draft start.

If they end up at 4-5 wins, while not great, that would be relatively acceptable because they aren't good.

The problem is that they've convinced themselves that they can win the division. And they could! Except they would be the King of Turd Mountain.

Also, yes, there are players who are picked lower who do better than ones higher. However, if you pick lower, you don't have the chance at that player.

I have no idea what you are talking about with regards to Alex Smith. He was an okay career for most of his career. Also, first overall draft pick.

Ben Roethlisberger was drafted 11th, and realistically only that far because he played at Miami of Ohio. However, I'll concede the culture for the Steelers.

Brady got insanely lucky as he would almost never had a chance to become TOM BRADY had Drew Bledsoe (who signed a 10y/$100M contract six weeks before the 2000 NFL Draft) not sheared a blood vessel around his heart after taking a hit from a NY Jets' defensive lineman in week 2. Also, keep in mind that the Patriots of 1999 and 2000 are not the same as the Patriots as we think of them now. More on them in a bit.

Rodgers: A) was drafted 25th after an inexplicable fall (there were debates as to whether he or Smith would go first overall), and B) had to sit three years because he was stuck behind a first ballot Hall of Fame QB. VERY special case there.

Unlike with Washington, Denver is surrounding Lock with talent. Early returns have been mixed as to whether it will pay off.

Arguably the only one who fits your criteria is Russell Wilson. Again, he wasn't considered highly because of his height.

Oh absolutely I do.

New England is great at manipulating the draft, but are so-so at selecting in the draft.

I think you're trying to say that they need an infusion of talent. I would agree wholeheartedly with that.

However, you leave out how to get to this stacked roster that has "their guy."

I can respect all of that Woz but I don’t feel I’m leaving out how to get a stacked roster that finds their guy via the draft. You select players in the trenches and you build a deep roster. You have to take chances in the 3rd-6th on guys who just have a lot of tools that maybe were just the product of their college systems that have the toolbox and mental to be great. We’re actually using these tactics as of late with Fuller,Terry, Gibson Holecomb. Yes these are some of our best players but all have speed. Gibson was a highly debated selection due to his lack of true position and production in college. But you have to develop these type of guys.

But when your top picks are the meat and potatoes you tend to be the tougher teams to beat on sundays. When you draft a QB you have to love their mental and their ability. You put these things behind a OL that protects them they have a higher probability of hitting. While the QB is learning the speed of the game and your team has a tough defense and a OL these guys tend to grow confident because their mistakes are magnified by the roster around them. And as the game slows down and they gain chemistry with the weapons you were finding in the mid money rounds that’s the formula. 

All of these things require development. But to develop your prospects you probably aren’t dipping heavily into FA every year. You can supplement your roster in FA but ultimately you have a draft plan of positions you want to address but ultimately you just fallow you’re boards player rating you’ll get the players your trying to develop. I’m not saying that selecting a QB in the 3rd is the way too go. I’d honestly say if we’re going OL or QB round one this year and next they should have a heck of a chance to find their guy for this staff. Really it’s about them finding exactly what their looking for and really making their plan.

Do they love a guy in this class? Well there will be a few mid round development guys who could interview themselves into a flier pick if they fall a bit. Then you have the cream of the new age QB crop guys there’s a few different play styles so if your guy falls to your selection you take him. Next year also has some bright early looks because I’m sure one of the top 5 guys will return depending on how the playoffs go. There are a lot of talented throwers it’s about identifying where you think your team is picking and the real shot your guy will be there or if that guy really is something special do you move up. Yes we have holes so moving up right now isn’t the best option. But a few spots to secure your guy becomes a option because we can still build the trenches after that. But ideally I think we’d get a top flight OL and draft our QB next year if a Wilson or Lance doesn’t fall to our natural selection. Or you take a flier on a Trask or Ehlinger and maybe you strike gold because you got your LT and TE in round 1 and 2 and now this guy clicks because the offense takes shape around those additions with a more refined Gibson and Thomas being a #2 TE these backs and maybe a #2 shows up because the additions. 

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On 11/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, aceinthehouse said:

Just because Allen is an UDFA doesn't mean he isn't the guy.

Let me help you out here: he isn't the guy.

On 11/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, aceinthehouse said:

We don't need to find a franchise QB, with a 1st Rd pick.

Based on data found at https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/depth-charts, here are all of the top two QBs based on round they were drafted in (starter bolded, italicized if on IR):

  • 1st: Kyler Murray (2019 1.01), Matt Ryan (2008 1.03), Lamar Jackson (2018 1.32), Robert Griffin III (2012 1.02), Josh Allen (2018 1.07), Teddy Bridgewater (2014 1.32), Mitch Trubisky (2017 1.02), Joe Burrow (2020 1.01), Baker Mayfield (2018 1.01), Matthew Stafford (2009 1.01), Aaron Rodgers (2005 1.24), Deshaun Watson (2017 1.12), Philip Rivers (2004 1.04), Patrick Mahomes (2017 1.10), Marcus Mariota (2015 1.02), Jared Goff (2016 1.01), Justin Herbert (2020 1.06), Tug Tagovailoa (2020 1.05), Cam Newton (2011 1.01), Daniel Jones (2019 1.06), Sam Darnold (2018 1.03), Joe Flacco (2008 1.18), Carson Wentz (2016 1.02), Ben Roethlisberger (2004 1.11), Blaine Gabbert (2011 1.10), Ryan Tannehill (2012 1.08), Alex Smith (2005 1.01)
  • 2nd: Andy Dalton (2011 2.03), Drew Lock (2019 2.10), Chad Henne (2008 2.26), Derek Carr (2014 2.04), Drew Brees (2001 2.01), Jalen Hurts (2020 2.21), Jimmy Garoppolo (2014 2.30), Geno Smith (2013 2.07)
  • 3rd: Matt Schaub (2004 3.27), Nick Foles (2012 3.25), Jacoby Brissett (2016 3.29), Mike Glennon (2013 3.11), Sean Mannion (2015 3.25), Colt McCoy (2010 3.21), Mason Rudolph (2018 3.12), Russell Wilson (2012 3.12)
  • 4th: Matt Barkley (2013 4.01), Ryan Finley (2019 4.02), Dak Prescott (2016 4.37), Kirk Cousins (2012 4.07), Jarrett Stidham (2019 4.31)
  • 5th: Brett Hundley (2015 5.11), AJ McCarron (2014 5.24)
  • 6th: Gardner Minshew (2019 6.05), Tyrod Taylor (2011 6.15), Tom Brady (2000 6.33)
  • 7th: Ryan Fitzpatrick (2005 7.36), Logan Woodside (2018 7.31)
  • UDFA: P.J. Walker (2017), Case Keenum (2012), Brett Rypien (2019), Chase Daniel (2009), Tim Boyle (2018), John Wolford (2018), Taysom Hill (2017), Nick Mullens (2017), Kyle Allen (2018)

 

Note the above does not account for another two possible 1st round backups (Dwayne Haskins and Jordan Love) as they are 3rd string.

 

Put another way, by the numbers:

  • 1st round (42.2% of QBs)
    • Starters = 21 (65.6% of starters)
    • Backups = 6  (18.8% of backups)
  • 2nd round (12.5% of QBs)
    • Starters = 4 (12.5% of starters)
    • Backups = 4 (12.5% of backups)
  • 3rd round (12.5% of QBs)
    • Starters = 2 (6.3% of starters)
    • Backups = 6 (18.8% of backups)
  • 4th round (7.8% of QBs)
    • Starters = 2 (6.3% of starters)
    • Backups = 3 (9.4% of backups)
  • 5th round (3.1% of QBs)
    • Starters = 0 (0.0% of starters)
    • Backups = 2 (6.3% of backups)
  • 6th round (4.7% of QBs)
    • Starters = 2 (6.3% of starters)
    • Backups = 1 (3.1% of backups)
  • 7th round (3.1% of QBs)
    • Starters = 0 (0.0% of starters)
    • Backups = 2 (6.3% of backups)
  • UDFAs (14.1% of QBs)
    • Starters = 1 (3.1% of starters)
    • Backups = 8 (25.0% of backups)

 

Nearly two thirds of the starters in the league are former first round picks. So, while you don't need a first round pick to franchise pick, it is A LOT more likely you will find one there than in the rest of the rounds.

On 11/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, aceinthehouse said:

We just need to find a QB, that can move the ball affectively, put pts on the board & let this defense go after QB's.

The "Alex Smith" QB? Good lord, no.

I don't get why you want a Kirk Cousins-esque QB given your hatred towards him.

On 11/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, aceinthehouse said:

If Allen can cut down on his turnovers which is easier said, than done.

We may just have our guy. Yes, he needs to showcase this over the rest of the season.

"If", "may" and "needs to" are doing some serious heavy lifting here ...

On 11/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, aceinthehouse said:

But if we win the Division even by going 8-8 or 7-9?

A) It's a huge improvement from last year.

B)He's winning Divisional games, which is the upmost importance.

C)We can build off that for next year, whether we're picking 5th or 20th.

A) Yes. Of course, that would be true with any QB.
B) Maybe.
C) It doesn't necessarily hold if they are going to turn over the roster.

On 11/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, aceinthehouse said:

Plus, if Allen shows he's the guy, it's one less resource we will need to address & we can focus on other positions in the off-season.

Let's see how this all plays out.

Allen is going to show ... he isn't the guy.

And it's going to turn out with no more than five wins.

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On 11/7/2020 at 6:59 PM, Woz said:

Let me help you out here: he isn't the guy.

Based on data found at https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/depth-charts, here are all of the top two QBs based on round they were drafted in (starter bolded, italicized if on IR):

  • 1st: Kyler Murray (2019 1.01), Matt Ryan (2008 1.03), Lamar Jackson (2018 1.32), Robert Griffin III (2012 1.02), Josh Allen (2018 1.07), Teddy Bridgewater (2014 1.32), Mitch Trubisky (2017 1.02), Joe Burrow (2020 1.01), Baker Mayfield (2018 1.01), Matthew Stafford (2009 1.01), Aaron Rodgers (2005 1.24), Deshaun Watson (2017 1.12), Philip Rivers (2004 1.04), Patrick Mahomes (2017 1.10), Marcus Mariota (2015 1.02), Jared Goff (2016 1.01), Justin Herbert (2020 1.06), Tug Tagovailoa (2020 1.05), Cam Newton (2011 1.01), Daniel Jones (2019 1.06), Sam Darnold (2018 1.03), Joe Flacco (2008 1.18), Carson Wentz (2016 1.02), Ben Roethlisberger (2004 1.11), Blaine Gabbert (2011 1.10), Ryan Tannehill (2012 1.08), Alex Smith (2005 1.01)
  • 2nd: Andy Dalton (2011 2.03), Drew Lock (2019 2.10), Chad Henne (2008 2.26), Derek Carr (2014 2.04), Drew Brees (2001 2.01), Jalen Hurts (2020 2.21), Jimmy Garoppolo (2014 2.30), Geno Smith (2013 2.07)
  • 3rd: Matt Schaub (2004 3.27), Nick Foles (2012 3.25), Jacoby Brissett (2016 3.29), Mike Glennon (2013 3.11), Sean Mannion (2015 3.25), Colt McCoy (2010 3.21), Mason Rudolph (2018 3.12), Russell Wilson (2012 3.12)
  • 4th: Matt Barkley (2013 4.01), Ryan Finley (2019 4.02), Dak Prescott (2016 4.37), Kirk Cousins (2012 4.07), Jarrett Stidham (2019 4.31)
  • 5th: Brett Hundley (2015 5.11), AJ McCarron (2014 5.24)
  • 6th: Gardner Minshew (2019 6.05), Tyrod Taylor (2011 6.15), Tom Brady (2000 6.33)
  • 7th: Ryan Fitzpatrick (2005 7.36), Logan Woodside (2018 7.31)
  • UDFA: P.J. Walker (2017), Case Keenum (2012), Brett Rypien (2019), Chase Daniel (2009), Tim Boyle (2018), John Wolford (2018), Taysom Hill (2017), Nick Mullens (2017), Kyle Allen (2018)

 

Note the above does not account for another two possible 1st round backups (Dwayne Haskins and Jordan Love) as they are 3rd string.

 

Put another way, by the numbers:

  • 1st round (42.2% of QBs)
    • Starters = 21 (65.6% of starters)
    • Backups = 6  (18.8% of backups)
  • 2nd round (12.5% of QBs)
    • Starters = 4 (12.5% of starters)
    • Backups = 4 (12.5% of backups)
  • 3rd round (12.5% of QBs)
    • Starters = 2 (6.3% of starters)
    • Backups = 6 (18.8% of backups)
  • 4th round (7.8% of QBs)
    • Starters = 2 (6.3% of starters)
    • Backups = 3 (9.4% of backups)
  • 5th round (3.1% of QBs)
    • Starters = 0 (0.0% of starters)
    • Backups = 2 (6.3% of backups)
  • 6th round (4.7% of QBs)
    • Starters = 2 (6.3% of starters)
    • Backups = 1 (3.1% of backups)
  • 7th round (3.1% of QBs)
    • Starters = 0 (0.0% of starters)
    • Backups = 2 (6.3% of backups)
  • UDFAs (14.1% of QBs)
    • Starters = 1 (3.1% of starters)
    • Backups = 8 (25.0% of backups)

 

Nearly two thirds of the starters in the league are former first round picks. So, while you don't need a first round pick to franchise pick, it is A LOT more likely you will find one there than in the rest of the rounds.

The "Alex Smith" QB? Good lord, no.

I don't get why you want a Kirk Cousins-esque QB given your hatred towards him.

"If", "may" and "needs to" are doing some serious heavy lifting here ...

A) Yes. Of course, that would be true with any QB.
B) Maybe.
C) It doesn't necessarily hold if they are going to turn over the roster.

Allen is going to show ... he isn't the guy.

And it's going to turn out with no more than five wins.

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1 hour ago, Woz said:

So, now what @aceinthehouse?

So now we see what Alex Smith can do the rest of the season.

The Division is still up for grabs, but we're definitely going to have to find a way to string multiple wins together.

Something we haven't done in a very long time.

At least we got the Giants out of the way early.

Maybe we'll have better luck vs other opponents?

Detroit is up next...

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Playing Alex Smith to try and win 5 or 6 games this year is such a dumb decision.

Am I happy for and proud of Alex that he’s worked so hard to where he can be a starting QB in the NFL again and has he been the best QB on this team all year - if healthy? Yes.

But, it doesn’t make sense to play Alex other than for a feel good story. He’s not the long term answer for this franchise. His contract is an albatross that the team needs to and can get out of after this season or at worst restructure so that his cap hit isn’t $24 million next year, but I wouldn’t even do that and I like the guy a lot. If I was the GM, I’d cut Alex after this season unless he led us to the Super Bowl, which isn’t happening.

Winning a division title with a 5 or at best 6 win season with Alex Smith gets us nothing but the 18th pick in the 2021 draft instead of a top 10 pick which hurts our long term future and the best chance at drafting our future franchise QB in the top 10 of the 2021 draft.

Even if we win the division, we’re not going anywhere in the playoffs. Our team isn’t good enough. It didn’t matter who our QB was this season, this team is not good enough to be a true playoff team that’s a contender for the Super Bowl.

Do I like Alex Smith? Yes

Do I like that he’s playing over Haskins?

No, NO, I still do not like that Haskins isn’t playing and getting evaluated more as this season has gone on.

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2 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Playing Alex Smith to try and win 5 or 6 games this year is such a dumb decision.

Am I happy for and proud of Alex that he’s worked so hard to where he can be a starting QB in the NFL again and has he been the best QB on this team all year - if healthy? Yes.

But, it doesn’t make sense to play Alex other than for a feel good story. He’s not the long term answer for this franchise. His contract is an albatross that the team needs to and can get out of after this season or at worst restructure so that his cap hit isn’t $24 million next year, but I wouldn’t even do that and I like the guy a lot.

Winning a division title with a 5 or at best 6 win season with Alex Smith gets us nothing but the 18th pick in the 2021 draft which hurts our long term future and the best chance at drafting our future franchise QB in the top 5 of the 2021 draft.

Do I like Alex Smith? Yes

Do I like that he’s playing over Haskins?

No, NO, I still do not like that Haskins isn’t playing and getting evaluated more as this season has gone on.

Man, my head wants to agree with you but as a few have said --they players want to win, the players NEED to win, to learn HOW to win. I think it's more important than draft pick position.. 

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10 minutes ago, RSkinGM said:

Man, my head wants to agree with you but as a few have said --they players want to win, the players NEED to win, to learn HOW to win. I think it's more important than draft pick position.. 

We’re still not winning though. It’s a freaking mirage if we make the playoffs - even more so than it was in 2012 or 2015 bc we don’t even have a good starting young QB that will have gotten us a Division Championship and a home playoff win.

Winning 5 or 6 games with a bad football team is still winning 5 or 6 games with a bad football team whether we win the division or not.

It’s not like we are winning. We are 2-6, we aren’t a good football team. These guys aren’t learning to win yet bc they’re/we’re not good enough as a team. 
 

I mean does anyone - outside of Ace - expect this team to go 8-0, 7-1, 6-2 or 5-3 the second half of the season with Alex as our starter?

I don’t, and as I said before I like Alex Smith as a QB. I expect us at best to go 4-4 the second half of the season with Alex as our starter and last time I checked, THAT’S NOT WINNING and beyond that it hurts our draft position by at least 8 spots and possibly as many as 17 spots.

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8 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

We’re still not winning though. It’s a freaking mirage if we make the playoffs - even more so than it was in 2012 or 2015 bc we don’t even have a good starting young QB that will have gotten us a Division Championship and a home playoff win.

Winning 5 or 6 games with a bad football team is still winning 5 or 6 games with a bad football team whether we win the division or not.

It’s not like we are winning. We are 2-6, we aren’t a good football team. These guys aren’t learning to win yet bc they’re/we’re not good enough as a team. 
 

I mean does anyone - outside of Ace - expect this team to go 8-0, 7-1, 6-2 or 5-3 the second half of the season with Alex as our starter?

I don’t, and as I said before I like Alex Smith as a QB. I expect us at best to go 4-4 the second half of the season with Alex as our starter and last time I checked, THAT’S NOT WINNING and beyond that it hurts our draft position by at least 8 spots and possibly as many as 17 spots.

Drafting high hasn't done much for us . I don't care where we pick. I want to them to TRY to win every game .

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2 hours ago, RSkinGM said:

Drafting high hasn't done much for us . I don't care where we pick. I want to them to TRY to win every game .

Not drafting in the top 10 for 21 of the last 28 years hasn’t done anything for our franchise either.

I’m sorry, but not wanting a top 10 pick when our team as currently constructed sucks doesn’t make any sense to me. We need better talent on our team, we need top talent and to get the best possible talent on our team that we can get. The best chance to get that is with the highest draft pick we can get.

Again, what are we winning?

We aren’t winning. We are 2-6. I don’t expect that us starting Alex Smith will all of a sudden make us a .500 team that goes 4-4 or better the second half of the year and even if it does we’ll be stuck in football purgatory again - as we have been every year since we last won the Super Bowl in 1991 - bc we don’t have a great QB or enough top talent in other positions to make us anything more than a 8 to 10 win team for years to come.
 

We absolutely have to get an answer at QB for our long term success and the best chance to get that is with a top 10 pick.

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Last year the Dolphins gave up on the season, traded Fitzpatrick, traded Kenyan Drake, traded Tunsil, and said “we’re going to lose this year to win in the future.” And guess what, they still managed to win a few games the stretch and buy into Brian Flores’ system and had draft capital to make moves. 
 

No one is asking the team to go out and take knees for four quarters, but they are asking management to look at the team l’s outlook realistically and make choices for the long term health of the org. They can do that and still build up a culture and mentality with the guys in the locker room if Rivera is half the coach people want him to be. 

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As long as we are in the playoff race, I will continue to hope we win the Division.

We are 2 games back on Philly, with 8 more games to play.

If we win the Division at 6-10? So be it...Anything can happen in the Playoffs.

We have a good chance to do it, also.

I believe we have the easiest schedule remaining, of the 4 teams in the East.

If this team can somehow string together 2 wins in a row from somewhere on the schedule?

I believe we will be in the thick of things come week 17.

It could come down to that Philly/Washington game in wk-17.

And if that's the case?

No way in hell, am I going to hope we lose that game because Trey Lance might be available when we pick in the draft

Vs

Playing as an underdog at home in the 1st Rd of the playoffs vs a team with a better record than us.

It's just that simple for me...

I'll worry about our QB situation, when the season is over & how we can go about getting one.

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1 hour ago, Jeezy Fanatic said:

Last year the Dolphins gave up on the season, traded Fitzpatrick, traded Kenyan Drake, traded Tunsil, and said “we’re going to lose this year to win in the future.” And guess what, they still managed to win a few games the stretch and buy into Brian Flores’ system and had draft capital to make moves. 
 

No one is asking the team to go out and take knees for four quarters, but they are asking management to look at the team l’s outlook realistically and make choices for the long term health of the org. They can do that and still build up a culture and mentality with the guys in the locker room if Rivera is half the coach people want him to be. 

Thats just about every year. Even the year Trent Williams was drafted and some were looking at guys like Jimmy Clausen. And the year Kerrigan was drafted, losses were so badly wanted as debates flew over Ponder, Locker & Gabbert.

There has to be a point where fans of the team. Actually cheer the team.

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