bigbadbuff Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Got me thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I think Bob Gibson has to be #1 on any list. I know Paige dominated the ***** Leagues but Gibson is the GOAT. I think I'd have Gibson #1 and Pedro #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBowl=best Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Did you censor that, or is it autocensored? It's not a bad word, at all. Jesus Christ, what has the world come to? Maddux #1 Martines #2 You can't be one of the GOATs based on minor league accomplishments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, SuperBowl=best said: Did you censor that, or is it autocensored? It's not a bad word, at all. Jesus Christ, what has the world come to? Did not censor it. Then again s-n-a-t-c-h is censored just because it's slang for a vagina lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, beekay414 said: I think Bob Gibson has to be #1 on any list. I know Paige dominated the ***** Leagues but Gibson is the GOAT. I think I'd have Gibson #1 and Pedro #2. I'd go with Pedro for pure dominance, but Gibson was obviously more of a workhorse even after taking era into consideration. Neither of them have the longevity of Randy, Maddux, or Clemens, although Clemens is quite obviously a guy who benefited from steroids FWIW. Speaking of Maddux, his prime was way better than I thought it was. Sucks that his career years were both partial seasons due to the strike. Ugh I love Seaver and Koufax too. Edited October 29, 2020 by redsoxsuck05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBowl=best Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Testing... "Betts snatched that fly ball from goin over the fence!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redsoxsuck05 said: I'd go with Pedro for pure dominance, but Gibson was obviously more of a workhorse even after taking era into consideration. Neither of them have the longevity of Randy or Clemens, although Clemens is quite obviously a guy who benefited from steroids FWIW. Ugh I love Seaver and Koufax too. My thing is, Gibson was so dominant, they literally changed the rules. Gibson played from 59 to 75 too, throwing less than 200 innings twice from 61-74. Had an era that peaked a 3.39 at it's highest from 61 til 73. Gibson's the goat IMO. Edited October 29, 2020 by beekay414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, SuperBowl=best said: Testing... "Betts snatched that fly ball from goin over the fence!!" Not snatched. Just ******. Bet you can't ****** that fly ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: My thing is, Gibson was so dominant, they literally changed the rules. Gibson played from 59 to 75 too, throwing less than 200 innings twice from 61-74. Had an era that peaked a 3.39 at it's highest from 61 til 73. Gibson's the goat IMO. Koufax was far better than Gibson from 62 to 66. They could've easily changed the rules because of him, but league-wide offense hadn't totally collapsed until after Sandy retired. And no, offense was total crap in 1968 due to more than just Gibson lol. Pedro, Maddux, Randy, and Clemens (*) also couldn't inspire rules to increase offense because offense was absurdly high inspite of them lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Koufax was far better than Gibson from 62 to 66. They could've easily changed the rules because of him, but league-wide offense hadn't totally collapsed until after Sandy retired. And no, offense was total crap in 1968 due to more than just Gibson lol. Yeah, Koufax was great from 61 to 66 but where was he from 57 to 60? He was good then but not what he became. Gibson did it longer, flat out. Gibson was a workhorse for 14 years. Koufax did it for 6 years. Edited October 29, 2020 by beekay414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Yeah, Koufax was great from 61 to 66 but where was he from 57 to 60? He was good then but not what he became. Gibson did it longer, flat out. Gibson was a workhorse for 14 years. Koufax did it for 6 years. I know, but there may be guys with better combos of peak/longevity than Gibson. His year in 1968 may have partly inspired the MLB to lower the mound and tighten the strike zone, but the entire league couldn't hit that year. I mean look at Sam McDowell, Luis Tiant, and Denny McLain in the AL! If the 90s/2000s guys played in that 1968 environment they would've inspired rule changes too. Let's remove the narrative for a sec and you'll see that he has a pretty comparable peak to Seaver but he wasn't effective for quite as long. Edited October 29, 2020 by redsoxsuck05 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, redsoxsuck05 said: I know, but there may be guys with better combos of peak/longevity than Gibson. His year in 1968 may have partly inspired the MLB to lower the mound and tighten the strike zone, but the entire league couldn't hit that year. I mean look at Sam McDowell, Luis Tiant, and Denny McLain in the AL! Let's remove the narrative for a sec and you'll see that he has a pretty comparable peak to Seaver but he wasn't effective for quite as long. For sure. I hear ya. It's all preferential anyways, especially when it's talking about people we never actually saw pitch. I mean, I'm arguing for a Cardinal FFS. If I'm speaking from someone I've actually seen, then I'm taking Pedro 1000 times out of 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBowl=best Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Koufax>>gibson. That 1968 was overrated. Why didn't th Cards win it all that year, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, SuperBowl=best said: That 1968 was overrated. Why didn't th Cards win it all that year, then? Why haven't the Angels won a world title with Trout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Eff it, Randy Johnson's the GOAT. Longevity and peak that competes with anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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