Frankie2Gunz Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: We've given Carr two receivers who were the first taken at their position in their respective drafts in Amari and Ruggs. Amari was blamed, hated on and called a quitter. Dude is a consistent year in and year out 1000 yard WR. And now Ruggs is getting blamed. Let's be real, Carr doesn't get his most talented receiver the ball. He is a guy who loves to throw to his TE and Backs, and spread the ball around. Which is fine but if I were a good WR I wouldn't want to play with him. You see Frankie liking the post criticizing Ruggs. He will be the one this off-season proclaiming Carr doesn't have enough help again. I like posts that are well thought out and @ronjon1990 is using logic in his posts and not emotion, something you should try to do. All of these excuses as to why Ruggs is not preforming and no blame on Ruggs himself. That is the definition of victim mentality. It's Carr, it's Gruden blah blah. Can it be that Ruggs isn't NFL ready? Just because he showed up he can run past future used car salesman at Alabama doesn't mean anything in the NFL. You see how flawed and insane your logic is correct. Cooper is not a number 1 WR and is showing it again this year. He is a complimentary player who can't be the focal point of an O to thrive. He needs other players to be the focus of a gamelan in order to preform and even then he has long stretches where he is non existent. If 1000 yards is your barometer for elite #1 WR in todays NFL you clearly have zero clue about football. I think Ruggs will be a good player but he is not a 100 reception WR currently. We need a reception hog WR for Ruggs to really ball out. He is not a #1 Wr in that regard and is still quite raw. I wanted Lamb if we went WR as I thought he would be a better fit for what we were trying to do but Ruggs was my second choice. I actually like Ruggs as he has shown the he is fast, has good hands and can win contested balls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 Shenault hmmm (BP) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: I like posts that are well thought out and @ronjon1990 is using logic in his posts and not emotion, something you should try to do. All of these excuses as to why Ruggs is not preforming and no blame on Ruggs himself. That is the definition of victim mentality. It's Carr, it's Gruden blah blah. Can it be that Ruggs isn't NFL ready? Just because he showed up he can run past future used car salesman at Alabama doesn't mean anything in the NFL. You see how flawed and insane your logic is correct. Cooper is not a number 1 WR and is showing it again this year. He is a complimentary player who can't be the focal point of an O to thrive. He needs other players to be the focus of a gamelan in order to preform and even then he has long stretches where he is non existent. If 1000 yards is your barometer for elite #1 WR in todays NFL you clearly have zero clue about football. I think Ruggs will be a good player but he is not a 100 reception WR currently. We need a reception hog WR for Ruggs to really ball out. He is not a #1 Wr in that regard and is still quite raw. I wanted Lamb if we went WR as I thought he would be a better fit for what we were trying to do but Ruggs was my second choice. I actually like Ruggs as he has shown the he is fast, has good hands and can win contested balls. Agree. I think once the chemistry between Carr and Ruggs improves in the offseason, he will take the next step. He also needs to gain a few pounds, which I think he will over time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 9:03 PM, ronjon1990 said: 1. He has shown virtually none of that on an NFL field aside from rare glinpses. You're projecting his success at Alabama into an NFL uniform. Furthermore, his success at Alabama wasn't high volume. Expectations for Ruggs to produce high numbers as a rookie don't make sense when he never did it in college. Drafting him over the other WRs was risky because it involves a lot of projection on his development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 10 hours ago, oakdb36 said: Furthermore, his success at Alabama wasn't high volume. Expectations for Ruggs to produce high numbers as a rookie don't make sense when he never did it in college. Drafting him over the other WRs was risky because it involves a lot of projection on his development. Exactly. Early on, I thought he could potentially be a 1k yd guy. I still think he could be. Could and potentially being the operating words. Nobody is writing him off as a bust, but it's clear he's not a WR1 and doesn't need to be treated like one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 11 hours ago, oakdb36 said: Furthermore, his success at Alabama wasn't high volume. Expectations for Ruggs to produce high numbers as a rookie don't make sense when he never did it in college. Drafting him over the other WRs was risky because it involves a lot of projection on his development. A little bit of this, but you also needed a plan for him. Granted, I think Edgar Bennett is a great WR coach and a player like Ruggs is not drafted for their rookie year. They are drafted for what they can become. Ruggs has rare speed and also has pretty impressive contested catch/leaping ability. He has the fluidity to run good routes, but that nuance is gonna take time and coaching. In the meantime, he needed a plan. Getting him the ball in space. Using crossers and misdirections to give him room to run. Hitting him on slants like he did in college. Not making him a 1 dimensional decoy running down the field. Gruden has definitely failed in that regard. You can't just say as a coach "he needs to win more one on one". He gets bracketed with safety help down the field and Gruden just keeps running him down the field. It's concerning to say the least. Same thing with Arnette being forced to play super off man coverage. Why draft a player and not use them to their strengths. Arnette can really press and run. How much has he gotten to do it this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 The route breakdown posted earlier in that thread says Ruggs isn't just running downfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 6:31 PM, MrOaktown_56 said: Shenault hmmm (BP) Better QB and offense, he'd really be shining right now. Excited for his future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Better QB and offense, he'd really be shining right now. Excited for his future. There have been a few times Ruggs has been open deep but him and Carr have not been able to connect. I want to know if Ruggs is not running the routes to proper depths and angles or is Carr just missing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Last night Jason Witten played 22 snaps, Foster Moreau played 2. Witten had 6 targets, Ruggs had 2. Just insanity at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 10:54 AM, Frankie2Gunz said: I think Ruggs will be a good player but he is not a 100 reception WR currently. We need a reception hog WR for Ruggs to really ball out. He is not a #1 Wr in that regard and is still quite raw. I wanted Lamb if we went WR as I thought he would be a better fit for what we were trying to do but Ruggs was my second choice. I actually like Ruggs as he has shown the he is fast, has good hands and can win contested balls. All draft process and training camp i said Ruggs isn’t a high volume target WR and was chastised for it. Im still happy with Ruggs don’t get me Wrong. I think As He developed he’ll really open up the offense. But ultimately we Do need a high volume WR ..... which is why I was so high on us drafting Ceedee Lamb. Overall I’m not upset with Ruggs.... cuz I think he can become a dangerous and dynamic WR.... but we do need to Add a higher volume target WR to this offense. Allen Robinson would be amazing but he’ll be too expensive. Ultimately I don’t thinK we need a True every game High Volume Target because of the depth we have with Renfrow, Agholor, and edwards..... we really just need an outside WR who can move the chains consistently. When it’s 3rd down we only go to Waller or Renfrow. Can Edwards develop into The big physical WR we all dreamed he’d be? Idk I think He’s got the ability to But like I always said he’s raw. He Was massively underdeveloped in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, jimkelly02 said: But ultimately we Do need a high volume WR ..... Darren Waller has 98 catches (135 targets), 1,079 yards, and 8 TD. He's our high volume pass catcher. The two teams in the Super Bowl last season had TE's as their high volume pass catchers and didn't have high volume WRs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Darren Waller has 98 catches (135 targets), 1,079 yards, and 8 TD. He's our high volume pass catcher. The two teams in the Super Bowl last season had TE's as their high volume pass catchers and didn't have high volume WRs.. 1. I don’t care what other teams did..... what the chiefs did doesn’t impact us at all, totally different offense. 2. You totally ignore the part where i clarify “high volume target”. 3. Waller is being held back in some regards imo By having to be the high volume Target. If we had a WR capable of moving the chains effectively Waller could be used downfield more.... where he is unstoppable. yes we can get by without a chain moving WR.... but if In order to optimize this offense we need a outside WR who can move the chains. We can’t only go to Waller and Renfrow on 3rd down. I Clearly said we don’t need a WR1.... we just need a Capable big outside WR. Heck we even knew this .... Ty Williams just can’t stay healthy. Edited December 27, 2020 by jimkelly02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, jimkelly02 said: yes we can get by without a chain moving WR.... but if In order to optimize this offense we need a outside WR who can move the chains. We can’t only go to Waller and Renfrow on 3rd down. I Clearly said we don’t need a WR1.... we just need a Capable big outside WR. Which is why we drafted Bryan Edwards. Gruden just refuses to use our young guys he'd rather play Zay Jones and Jason Witten over Edwards/Moreau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Darren Waller has 98 catches (135 targets), 1,079 yards, and 8 TD. He's our high volume pass catcher. The two teams in the Super Bowl last season had TE's as their high volume pass catchers and didn't have high volume WRs... T hill missed 4 games last year also tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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