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GDT: The fight for positioning! Will Dallas be Cooked?


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2 minutes ago, WheatieMan said:

More like the stupidity of the Raiders (not that the kid they took is bad), but “spppppeeeeeedddd baby.” Some things don’t change. 88s on Dallas included.

In any event, a loss to the WFT will be the nail in the coffin this year, so we might as well be all in. I honestly think people are trolling clamoring for a draft pick. Who’s gonna be there after the Jets pick and why pay top five money with Jerry’s track record there?

The point is to have the draft capital. 

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1 minute ago, Matts4313 said:

The point is to have the draft capital. 

So you know how the board will fall come draft day? Where players will fall and who might be trading up to our slot, after an abbreviated college football year no less? With the holes on this roster you can draft anything from DB, TE, OL, LB, NT, hell even RB if we move on from Zeke before even talking about QB. Top 2 QBs will be gone before we sniff them. And no, I don’t trust this team picking in the top 5. They got lucky with Cee Dee and the defensive picks have been average at best. No guarantees the top two picks (presumably on defense) will be any good.

You tank when you are mathematically eliminated, not before. This team can slip in and fluke a win before inevitably falling to a Seattle NO or GB. And you have a motivated QB with his last chance to get a playoff win. I guess I like rooting for the players as well. Makes me less of a team fan I suppose, but it’s postponed some grey hair to be honest. Handing the Giants a division title (they are the favorite after WFT IMO), an upstart team, is the last thing you want to do going into next year.

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3 minutes ago, WheatieMan said:

So you know how the board will fall come draft day?

You wrote a whole lot and missed the point.

21 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

The point is to have the draft capital. 

The higher the picks, the better the draft capital. 

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1 minute ago, Matts4313 said:

You wrote a whole lot and missed the point.

The higher the picks, the better the draft capital. 

The point of having draft capital is to win playoff games. If you are completely rebuilding like the Jets or the Colts pre-Luck you do LVP level tanking. Not when you are expected to be a playoff team next year if healthy. What player/position would put them over the top next year outside of the core roster? Nobody. This is not a tank situation as of yet.

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Just now, WheatieMan said:

The point of having draft capital is to win playoff games. If you are completely rebuilding like the Jets or the Colts pre-Luck you do LVP level tanking. Not when you are expected to be a playoff team next year if healthy. What player/position would put them over the top next year outside of the core roster? Nobody. This is not a tank situation as of yet.

Thats not how the NFL works. Teams swing from bad to good all the time. 9ers were the #2 pick and then in the Superbowl a year later. Draft capital is a tool to improve your team. Having better draft capital is always a good thing. 

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2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Thats not how the NFL works. Teams swing from bad to good all the time. 9ers were the #2 pick and then in the Superbowl a year later. Draft capital is a tool to improve your team. Having better draft capital is always a good thing. 

So who is the Bosa in the draft? Is there a Chase Young? They were not getting that type of player next year... they were going to string a couple of wins together at some point with this coach and veteran QB. Jets and now the Jags clearly had the inside track on them. You want them to pull a trade and gamble the farm? At best they move up to #3 and take the third best QB. 

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2 minutes ago, WheatieMan said:

The point of having draft capital is to win playoff games. If you are completely rebuilding like the Jets or the Colts pre-Luck you do LVP level tanking. Not when you are expected to be a playoff team next year if healthy. What player/position would put them over the top next year outside of the core roster? Nobody. This is not a tank situation as of yet.

This team already has good value off talent. As we are seeing by letting our younger guys play they are gaining experience and playing good. Gallamore, Wilson, Biadaz etc... Having a top 3 pick allows us to trade down and have value while already being a good team. 
 

If healthy next year a player like Patrick Surtain and a extra 2nd or 3rd rd pick that we could gain by trading down can put us over the top.

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2 minutes ago, eagles suck said:

This team already has good value off talent. As we are seeing by letting our younger guys play they are gaining experience and playing good. Gallamore, Wilson, Biadaz etc... Having a top 3 pick allows us to trade down and have value while already being a good team. 
 

If healthy next year a player like Patrick Surtain and a extra 2nd or 3rd rd pick that we could gain by trading down can put us over the top.

Or trade up and take Morris Claiborne, since we were a “corner away” that year as well. This front office does not have the track record to trust them with such a high pick.

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6 minutes ago, WheatieMan said:

Or trade up and take Morris Claiborne, since we were a “corner away” that year as well. This front office does not have the track record to trust them with such a high pick.

This was pre Will MCclay. Drafting since minus Taco have been good 

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16 minutes ago, WheatieMan said:

You want them to pull a trade and gamble the farm? At best they move up to #3 and take the third best QB. 

You are clearly missing the point. Its not about trading up. Its not about even selecting at #3. Its about having the flexibility of having more draft capital. 

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Front office here has had more draft capital in recent years than clubs like say the Ravens and Steelers. Doesn’t amount to much until you actually learn how to draft winning players. Draft capital matters when you can secure a HoF QB. And nothing leads me to believe they can do that here given whose ahead of them. It seems people are comfortable sacrificing division and playoff wins for hypothetical players that plug gaping holes on the roster next year.

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