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3 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said:

This is looking for the unrealistic anomaly, that is Belichick, and not the norm. Good luck in finding this again. The Texans tried it with BOB and we all know how that worked out. 

A GM shouldn't be expected to know all of the intricacies of the system that a HC plans to incorporate to change things but rather HOW. 

Maybe in a utopia world of football but it's no where close to reality. 

If scouts were capable of being good coordinators then they wouldn't be scouts to begin with. They would be coordinators.  What you are suggesting is a very unrealistic utopia society in the football world.

SOME scouts MAY become coordinators at some point (based on the amount of knowledge and instincts they show during this time) but none of this means that they will be a good coordinator.  The amount of different responsibilities and accountability between the two positions are VERY different. Hell, most scouts don't even make it that far.

I would love to see a team with a good staff on both sides of ball AND have scouts who are fit for the coordinator job just waiting in the wings. It's not realistic man. 

The 90s Browns are the closest think that I can think of that even come close to fitting this description and not even that is even close to what you're describing. 

 

I am not saying they need same level of ability.   Maybe I did say that, but that isn’t what I meant.   

But if you are scouting O linemen you should know O line fundamentals very well.   You should know O line blocking schemes.   There aren’t that many across all of football.    And thousands of people know them.   

If you are scouting QBs you should know passing concepts that most college teams use and those most NFL teams use, especially those of your coach.   

And so on.  

If you are Chief Scout or GM you should have breadth of knowledge of a HC.

If you are an OC or a HC you should know blocking fundamentals and schemes as well as passing concepts.   Nagy should be able to step in and be a decent O line coach, WR coach, TE coach or what have you.   He should know defensive schemes and positions fairly well as well.    Not AS good as a specialist having done it his whole life, but if he can’t he isn’t qualified for the job.

For those who say that isn’t fair, if you don’t understand defensive schemes how can you plan against them?   Hoping you get lucky?  If you don’t know blocking scheme and fundamentals how can you make personnel decisions and correct problems with execution?   You have to ask someone?   Ridiculous.   Its not building a Boeing Jet where no one could have that type of specialized knowledge to know how to program computers and shape wings.   It just isn’t that complicated.   Yes it takes years and years, but that’s why HC coaches are usually older.

And on and on.  You get it.  

 

 

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50 minutes ago, WindyCity said:

Ummm.  For those who don't Twitter, this is a quote from Dan Orlovsky watching Nagy's playcalling, pointing out they drill all week to have responses to situation, and on the first two third down plays the Bears' had, they used the exact same plan, which was for man, in zone

If you don't think the team is going to crack, scroll down you'll see Allen Robinson implying agreement with a gif

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1 hour ago, RunningVaccs said:

Ummm.  For those who don't Twitter, this is a quote from Dan Orlovsky watching Nagy's playcalling, pointing out they drill all week to have responses to situation, and on the first two third down plays the Bears' had, they used the exact same plan, which was for man, in zone

If you don't think the team is going to crack, scroll down you'll see Allen Robinson implying agreement with a gif

But hey "just stay the course."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/11/9/21557671/matt-nagy-play-calling-chicago-bears-bill-lazor-john-defilippo-nick-foles-stats-record-vikings

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2 hours ago, RunningVaccs said:

Ummm.  For those who don't Twitter, this is a quote from Dan Orlovsky watching Nagy's playcalling, pointing out they drill all week to have responses to situation, and on the first two third down plays the Bears' had, they used the exact same plan, which was for man, in zone

If you don't think the team is going to crack, scroll down you'll see Allen Robinson implying agreement with a gif

"Coaches spend all week game-planning, & they grind really in situation football. RZ/2min/3rd downs. Grind all week long with their plan—the

did that & on their first (2) 3rd downs of the game ran the same play. All week to run the same play?!? A man beater vs zone

 
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7 minutes ago, blkwdw13 said:

Guys are totally frustrated. This pathetic display of offense is making a lot of offensive coaches and players all look bad. I don't think it's an accident that we are hearing all these rumblings in the media.

Now let's see if Nagy has what it takes to lead the team through this and come out better for it or not.

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The time to get out is now. 

I need to emotionally detach from the Chicago Bears and I have taken the following steps:

  • cancel ESPN+ subscription
  • cancel NFL.com replay subscription
  • unsubscribe to The Chicago Audible podcast, Under Center podcast and T Formation podcast
  • unfollow all but 2 of 40+ chicago bears and NFL related commentators on twitter
  • unfollow Chicago Bears official twitter, facebook and Instagram accounts
  • will not watch the remainder of the NFL conference playoffs
  • will not purchase Bears gear for myself
  • will not purchase any tickets for the 2021 season 
  • will not watch live Bears preseason games in 2021
  • will not attend Bears training camp, if permitted by health guidelines
  • will not purchase any NFL analysis related to the NFL draft


I will retain these connections to the Bears

  • follow Adam Hoge and Adam Jahns on twitter & listen to podcast
  • watch the super bowl (please g-d, do not let GB win again)
  • remain engaged on footballsfuture once per week

 

The only way I am willing to engage further with the bears is a miracle of hope at the QB position such as getting a rookie QB without trading a future R1 pick or landing Watson/Dak and I don't need to invest any time / emotional energy for that to happen or to hear about the details

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6 hours ago, ChiCity said:

The time to get out is now. 

I need to emotionally detach from the Chicago Bears and I have taken the following steps:

  • cancel ESPN+ subscription
  • cancel NFL.com replay subscription
  • unsubscribe to The Chicago Audible podcast, Under Center podcast and T Formation podcast
  • unfollow all but 2 of 40+ chicago bears and NFL related commentators on twitter
  • unfollow Chicago Bears official twitter, facebook and Instagram accounts
  • will not watch the remainder of the NFL conference playoffs
  • will not purchase Bears gear for myself
  • will not purchase any tickets for the 2021 season 
  • will not watch live Bears preseason games in 2021
  • will not attend Bears training camp, if permitted by health guidelines
  • will not purchase any NFL analysis related to the NFL draft


I will retain these connections to the Bears

  • follow Adam Hoge and Adam Jahns on twitter & listen to podcast
  • watch the super bowl (please g-d, do not let GB win again)
  • remain engaged on footballsfuture once per week

 

The only way I am willing to engage further with the bears is a miracle of hope at the QB position such as getting a rookie QB without trading a future R1 pick or landing Watson/Dak and I don't need to invest any time / emotional energy for that to happen or to hear about the details

I already do most of these as I don't have time to follow the Bears socially and I don't have any social media. But I will keep my ESPN+ account since I use it for a lot of other sports and I now hope GB plays KC in the Super Bowl. I'll even take a GB win so that it can "piss" the McCaskey's like they say losing to GB does.

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I have a 4.5 month old so I plan on checking out of Twitter and coming into this forum once or twice a day. I do not plan on watching a ton of NFL playoff football, since it just pisses me off so much that the Bears are the disaster that they are.

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11 hours ago, Nads786 said:

I have a 4.5 month old so I plan on checking out of Twitter and coming into this forum once or twice a day. I do not plan on watching a ton of NFL playoff football, since it just pisses me off so much that the Bears are the disaster that they are.

I have a 9 month old. I was hoping it was the new responsibility that has made me care slightly less about the Bears, but I think it's their overall idiocy and lack of success :)

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