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7 minutes ago, Justone2 said:

The hardest part just is what else do you do. If you replace him with someone thats worse you probably pick earlier but as the decision makers you probably are looking at a new job next year and chance you get someone better is slim. In terms of cost no doubt there are better options than locking yourself into these type of guys because you need the roster around them to be better. On the other hand while QB is by far the most important position if you don't surround them with the right talent they still get you nowhere. What i dislike the most is how we locked ourselves in the trio of Jimmy, Mullen and Beathard for a few years and now taking shots are bringing some new talent up from the bottom outside some really longshot UDFA types. I truly believe drafting a QB every year is worth it. You won't hit all the time but when you do you either have one for yourself or you can flip them for something better than you used to get them.

Personally, I think the FO is being myopic with regards to improvement. It feels like they are looking for a "better quarterback" and in truth they should be seeking a more cost effective one. I don't need the QB room to get better necessarily. Case Keenum isn't better than Kirk Cousins, yet the Vikings have largely not been good with Cousins. REally, it was just their floor that was better on a year to year basis. 

I have beat the drum for Minshew just because I think he's the most obvious candidate (meh sort of starting stats, getting better...very ugly eye test...but super cheap, improved system & talent), but there are others who have been mentioned before as well. It's all a risk though. Like, for me, Minshew + 25 million in additional talent around him >>>> Jimmy G with 25M less talent. But I can't say for sure that it would be the end result. I don't think Minshew is as good Jimmy, I just think that they are close enough that in that calculation, I'd take Minshew. Minshew is the most extreme example, but it could also be Darnold + 20 million additional talent, or maybe Winston + 15 million? Other guys as well, of course. 

But again, it's all a risk. 

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I think its the the case that the Niners are sticking with Jimmy because they don't view any of the alternative as upgrades. 

The only QB's "available" i think the FO would place over Jimmy is Lawrence, Prescott, Cousins, & Watson. Lawrence, Prescott, & Cousins are impossible to get for now, for varying reasons. So that leaves Watson. 

I know Peters scouted Zach Wilson in person, but i think Lynch also admitted that he went to Mahomes pro day back in '17 to scout him in person as a smokescreen. The fact that none of the beat writers who are plugged into the team have suggested a rookie QB makes me think its not an option. I think the top 4 QB's are going in the first few picks, but even if Lance or Fields fell to us, i feel like we'd trade back more than anything. 

For better or worse, we'll stick with Jimmy (unless we can somehow land Watson). I'm all in on beefing up the rest of the team, getting a good backup QB option, and seeing where 2021 leads us. If Jimmy busts, then QB1 is top priority in 2022. 

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4 minutes ago, Forge said:

Personally, I think the FO is being myopic with regards to improvement. It feels like they are looking for a "better quarterback" and in truth they should be seeking a more cost effective one. I don't need the QB room to get better necessarily. Case Keenum isn't better than Kirk Cousins, yet the Vikings have largely not been good with Cousins. REally, it was just their floor that was better on a year to year basis. 

I have beat the drum for Minshew just because I think he's the most obvious candidate (meh sort of starting stats, getting better...very ugly eye test...but super cheap, improved system & talent), but there are others who have been mentioned before as well. It's all a risk though. Like, for me, Minshew + 25 million in additional talent around him >>>> Jimmy G with 25M less talent. But I can't say for sure that it would be the end result. I don't think Minshew is as good Jimmy, I just think that they are close enough that in that calculation, I'd take Minshew. Minshew is the most extreme example, but it could also be Darnold + 20 million additional talent, or maybe Winston + 15 million? Other guys as well, of course. 

But again, it's all a risk. 

I should also mention that a lot of this goes out the window if they extend and restructure Jimmy G to work with his cap hit. That said, I don't want to do that because I"m not *that* comfortable with Jimmy LOL. 

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1 minute ago, Forge said:

Personally, I think the FO is being myopic with regards to improvement. It feels like they are looking for a "better quarterback" and in truth they should be seeking a more cost effective one. I don't need the QB room to get better necessarily. Case Keenum isn't better than Kirk Cousins, yet the Vikings have largely not been good with Cousins. REally, it was just their floor that was better on a year to year basis. 

I have beat the drum for Minshew just because I think he's the most obvious candidate (meh sort of starting stats, getting better...very ugly eye test...but super cheap, improved system & talent), but there are others who have been mentioned before as well. It's all a risk though. Like, for me, Minshew + 25 million in additional talent around him >>>> Jimmy G with 25M less talent. But I can't say for sure that it would be the end result. I don't think Minshew is as good Jimmy, I just think that they are close enough that in that calculation, I'd take Minshew. Minshew is the most extreme example, but it could also be Darnold + 20 million additional talent, or maybe Winston + 15 million? Other guys as well, of course. 

But again, it's all a risk. 

I think the last thing is the biggest one why you see teams signing guys like Cousins and Goff to big deals. You know what you have in them and while that mostly average losing them might make them look worse. I am all for blowing up our QB room this year but i totally get the risk involved with it for the FO and coaching staff and if we have a healthy Jimmy next year i have no doubt we can make the play-offs even if we have to patch a Trent Williams shaped hole.

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Just now, Justone2 said:

I think the last thing is the biggest one why you see teams signing guys like Cousins and Goff to big deals. You know what you have in them and while that mostly average losing them might make them look worse. I am all for blowing up our QB room this year but i totally get the risk involved with it for the FO and coaching staff and if we have a healthy Jimmy next year i have no doubt we can make the play-offs even if we have to patch a Trent Williams shaped hole.

Yep. I think one day, some offensive genius is going to have the balls to do it. He's just going to moneyball the hell out of his position until he finds the right guy. I remember Bill Barnwell writing an article about how McVay should do that because Goff didn't look like "the" guy (and this was after two pretty damn good years) like 2 years ago or something. 

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8 minutes ago, Forge said:

Yep. I think one day, some offensive genius is going to have the balls to do it. He's just going to moneyball the hell out of his position until he finds the right guy. I remember Bill Barnwell writing an article about how McVay should do that because Goff didn't look like "the" guy (and this was after two pretty damn good years) like 2 years ago or something. 

Would have to take someone that either is the owner/GM or a really strong HC with a ton op job security to make that call. 

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