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The Carr dilemma in 2021


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The Carr Dilemma 2021  

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  1. 1. What to do with Carr in 2021

    • Option 1: extend Carr
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    • Option 2: trade Carr
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    • Neither
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6 minutes ago, BackinBlack said:

17 Wins Total, only 3 wins with 0 TDs. all 3 wins with 0 TDs where with Gruden (run focused). 
2014 - 1 win 
2015 - 1 win
2016 - 4 Win
2017 - 2 win
2018 - 1 win
2019 - 5 win
2020 - 3 win

Wow now that’s interesting esp in that magical 2016 year dam what was our record in 2019 7-9 interesting for sure

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2020 the 3 wins were;
Carolina - 22/30 1 TD no ints, 7.97 yards per attempt. 
Clev - 15/24 1 td no ints, 4.5 yards per attempt - extreme wind this game though. 
Den - 16/24 0 tds 0 ints - 6.6 yards per attempt - we ran all of them this game. 

2019 the 5 wins were;
Den 22/26 1 td 0 ints - 9.96 yards / attempt
chi 25/32 0tds 0 ints - 7.16 yards / attmept
chargers 21/31 1 td 0 ints - 7.03 yards / attempt
cin 25/29 1 td 1 int - 10.07 yards / attempt 
chargers 26/30 1 td 0 ints - 10.37 yards / attempt

so even though the TDs arent there, Id say Carr is playing pretty solid ball in those wins. 

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6 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Wow now that’s interesting esp in that magical 2016 year dam what was our record in 2019 7-9 interesting for sure

for sure ill look in to 2016 later, need a min though. . . but look at above post . . 2019 Carr was pretty deserving of those 5 wins if you ask me 

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2018 -  Den  19/26 0tds 0 ints 6.42 yrds/atempt

2017 - Mia 21/30 1 td 1 int 9.17 yrds/ attemppt
         - Giants 22/36 1td 0 ints 8.53 yards / attempt

2016 - saints - 24/38 1 td and 0 int 8.39 y/a
          - ten    21/35 1td 1 int 7.11 y/a
          - jax     23/37 1 td 0 int 5.4 y/a
          - den    20/31 0 td 0 int 5.94 y/a
          - chargers  19/30 1 td 1 int 7.10 y/a

2015 - chargers - 23/38 1 td 1 int 5.37 y/a
2014 - kc 18/35 1 td/0 ints 4.97 y/a


raiders have never won with Carr throwing more Ints then TDs.  (ah actually this may not be true, i didnt look at games we won that carr had 2+ tds) - - edit, wait no it is true, as i previously showed weve only won 2 games when he threw 2 picks, and he had 2+ tds in both games

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21 minutes ago, BackinBlack said:

2018 -  Den  19/26 0tds 0 ints 6.42 yrds/atempt

2017 - Mia 21/30 1 td 1 int 9.17 yrds/ attemppt
         - Giants 22/36 1td 0 ints 8.53 yards / attempt

2016 - saints - 24/38 1 td and 0 int 8.39 y/a
          - ten    21/35 1td 1 int 7.11 y/a
          - jax     23/37 1 td 0 int 5.4 y/a
          - den    20/31 0 td 0 int 5.94 y/a
          - chargers  19/30 1 td 1 int 7.10 y/a

2015 - chargers - 23/38 1 td 1 int 5.37 y/a
2014 - kc 18/35 1 td/0 ints 4.97 y/a


raiders have never won with Carr throwing more Ints then TDs.  (ah actually this may not be true, i didnt look at games we won that carr had 2+ tds) - - edit, wait no it is true, as i previously showed weve only won 2 games when he threw 2 picks, and he had 2+ tds in both games

Props on the stat lookup very interesting 

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3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Props on the stat lookup very interesting 

thanks dude, I think 2016 Carr / Raiders were gifted some wins from Mack just being on another level. 

Last 3 years, I think Gruden has shown he wants to be a run first / heavy team. 
If Carr can keep chains moving, and limits turnovers (yes this includes fumbles, he def needs work here), Gruden thinks we will win games. I think Gruden wants to take a couple deep shots a game to back the D up, but really just wants consistency in his run game.

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43 minutes ago, BackinBlack said:

2018 -  Den  19/26 0tds 0 ints 6.42 yrds/atempt

2017 - Mia 21/30 1 td 1 int 9.17 yrds/ attemppt
         - Giants 22/36 1td 0 ints 8.53 yards / attempt

2016 - saints - 24/38 1 td and 0 int 8.39 y/a
          - ten    21/35 1td 1 int 7.11 y/a
          - jax     23/37 1 td 0 int 5.4 y/a
          - den    20/31 0 td 0 int 5.94 y/a
          - chargers  19/30 1 td 1 int 7.10 y/a

2015 - chargers - 23/38 1 td 1 int 5.37 y/a
2014 - kc 18/35 1 td/0 ints 4.97 y/a


raiders have never won with Carr throwing more Ints then TDs.  (ah actually this may not be true, i didnt look at games we won that carr had 2+ tds) - - edit, wait no it is true, as i previously showed weve only won 2 games when he threw 2 picks, and he had 2+ tds in both games

Good stats. Do you have stats on Turnovers overall

Carr's issues are fumbles not INTs since he relatively plays safe passing football. Id argue that fumbles at times are worse than INTs due to the field possession advantage.

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2 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said:

Good stats. Do you have stats on Turnovers overall

Carr's issues are fumbles not INTs since he relatively plays safe passing football. Id argue that fumbles at times are worse than INTs due to the field possession advantage.

unfortunately no, fumbles are always tougher to look for at qbs cause they arent just on the main list. 
I do agree Carr fumbles to much. 


I disagree with the bold - an int is 100% the other teams ball, where a fumble is around 50/50? 
If Carr throws 10 ints, the other team has the ball 10 times
If Carr fumbles 10 times, they maybe get it 7 times?

Both can happen anywhere on the field. Even the stupid fumble OB at the goalline, it just gives the other team the ball. . . same as a redzone pick

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8 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said:

Good stats. Do you have stats on Turnovers overall

Carr's issues are fumbles not INTs since he relatively plays safe passing football. Id argue that fumbles at times are worse than INTs due to the field possession advantage.

I was curious about the fumbling also 

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4 minutes ago, BackinBlack said:

unfortunately no, fumbles are always tougher to look for at qbs cause they arent just on the main list. 
I do agree Carr fumbles to much. 


I disagree with the bold - an int is 100% the other teams ball, where a fumble is around 50/50? 
If Carr throws 10 ints, the other team has the ball 10 times
If Carr fumbles 10 times, they maybe get it 7 times?

Both can happen anywhere on the field. Even the stupid fumble OB at the goalline, it just gives the other team the ball. . . same as a redzone pick

You make a good point. There's variables on both sides.

 

Some INTs can be glorified punts. Some fumbles can lead to punts in a down or 2. Lots of times stats don't tell the entire story

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actually have his fumbles and lost per season. . .
2020 - 11 fumbles 8 lost ( at least 1 is not on Carr, it was clearly Richard fault, then a couple blindside sacks are iffy)
2019 - 7 fumbles 3 lost (im shocked at this, seems low. . . for the amount of hate)
2018 - 12 fumbles 7 lost
2017 - 8 fumbles 3 lost (again very low)
2016 - 5 fumbles 3 lost (again pretty low)
2015 - 10 fumbles 3 lost (pretty low turnover. . shows why fumbles are better then ints!!)
2014 - 10 fumbles 4 lost
 

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and just cause i have a feeling itll come up

2014 - 21 TDs - 16 Turnover (12 ints 4 FL)
2015 - 32 TDs - 16 Turnover (13 ints 3 FL)
2016 - 28 TDs - 9 Turnover (6 ints 3 FL)
2017 - 22 TDS - 16 Turonver (13 ints 3 FL)
2018 - 19 TDS - 17 Turnover (10 ints 7 FL)
2019 - 21 TDS - 11 Turnover (8ints 3 FL)
2020 - 27 TDS - 17 Turnover (9 int 8 FL)
 

 

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