NCOUGHMAN Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: 17 Wins Total, only 3 wins with 0 TDs. all 3 wins with 0 TDs where with Gruden (run focused). 2014 - 1 win 2015 - 1 win 2016 - 4 Win 2017 - 2 win 2018 - 1 win 2019 - 5 win 2020 - 3 win Wow now that’s interesting esp in that magical 2016 year dam what was our record in 2019 7-9 interesting for sure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2020 the 3 wins were; Carolina - 22/30 1 TD no ints, 7.97 yards per attempt. Clev - 15/24 1 td no ints, 4.5 yards per attempt - extreme wind this game though. Den - 16/24 0 tds 0 ints - 6.6 yards per attempt - we ran all of them this game. 2019 the 5 wins were; Den 22/26 1 td 0 ints - 9.96 yards / attempt chi 25/32 0tds 0 ints - 7.16 yards / attmept chargers 21/31 1 td 0 ints - 7.03 yards / attempt cin 25/29 1 td 1 int - 10.07 yards / attempt chargers 26/30 1 td 0 ints - 10.37 yards / attempt so even though the TDs arent there, Id say Carr is playing pretty solid ball in those wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Wow now that’s interesting esp in that magical 2016 year dam what was our record in 2019 7-9 interesting for sure for sure ill look in to 2016 later, need a min though. . . but look at above post . . 2019 Carr was pretty deserving of those 5 wins if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 2018 - Den 19/26 0tds 0 ints 6.42 yrds/atempt 2017 - Mia 21/30 1 td 1 int 9.17 yrds/ attemppt - Giants 22/36 1td 0 ints 8.53 yards / attempt 2016 - saints - 24/38 1 td and 0 int 8.39 y/a - ten 21/35 1td 1 int 7.11 y/a - jax 23/37 1 td 0 int 5.4 y/a - den 20/31 0 td 0 int 5.94 y/a - chargers 19/30 1 td 1 int 7.10 y/a 2015 - chargers - 23/38 1 td 1 int 5.37 y/a 2014 - kc 18/35 1 td/0 ints 4.97 y/a - raiders have never won with Carr throwing more Ints then TDs. (ah actually this may not be true, i didnt look at games we won that carr had 2+ tds) - - edit, wait no it is true, as i previously showed weve only won 2 games when he threw 2 picks, and he had 2+ tds in both games Edited February 25, 2021 by BackinBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: 2018 - Den 19/26 0tds 0 ints 6.42 yrds/atempt 2017 - Mia 21/30 1 td 1 int 9.17 yrds/ attemppt - Giants 22/36 1td 0 ints 8.53 yards / attempt 2016 - saints - 24/38 1 td and 0 int 8.39 y/a - ten 21/35 1td 1 int 7.11 y/a - jax 23/37 1 td 0 int 5.4 y/a - den 20/31 0 td 0 int 5.94 y/a - chargers 19/30 1 td 1 int 7.10 y/a 2015 - chargers - 23/38 1 td 1 int 5.37 y/a 2014 - kc 18/35 1 td/0 ints 4.97 y/a - raiders have never won with Carr throwing more Ints then TDs. (ah actually this may not be true, i didnt look at games we won that carr had 2+ tds) - - edit, wait no it is true, as i previously showed weve only won 2 games when he threw 2 picks, and he had 2+ tds in both games Props on the stat lookup very interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Props on the stat lookup very interesting thanks dude, I think 2016 Carr / Raiders were gifted some wins from Mack just being on another level. Last 3 years, I think Gruden has shown he wants to be a run first / heavy team. If Carr can keep chains moving, and limits turnovers (yes this includes fumbles, he def needs work here), Gruden thinks we will win games. I think Gruden wants to take a couple deep shots a game to back the D up, but really just wants consistency in his run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: 2018 - Den 19/26 0tds 0 ints 6.42 yrds/atempt 2017 - Mia 21/30 1 td 1 int 9.17 yrds/ attemppt - Giants 22/36 1td 0 ints 8.53 yards / attempt 2016 - saints - 24/38 1 td and 0 int 8.39 y/a - ten 21/35 1td 1 int 7.11 y/a - jax 23/37 1 td 0 int 5.4 y/a - den 20/31 0 td 0 int 5.94 y/a - chargers 19/30 1 td 1 int 7.10 y/a 2015 - chargers - 23/38 1 td 1 int 5.37 y/a 2014 - kc 18/35 1 td/0 ints 4.97 y/a - raiders have never won with Carr throwing more Ints then TDs. (ah actually this may not be true, i didnt look at games we won that carr had 2+ tds) - - edit, wait no it is true, as i previously showed weve only won 2 games when he threw 2 picks, and he had 2+ tds in both games Good stats. Do you have stats on Turnovers overall Carr's issues are fumbles not INTs since he relatively plays safe passing football. Id argue that fumbles at times are worse than INTs due to the field possession advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Good stats. Do you have stats on Turnovers overall Carr's issues are fumbles not INTs since he relatively plays safe passing football. Id argue that fumbles at times are worse than INTs due to the field possession advantage. unfortunately no, fumbles are always tougher to look for at qbs cause they arent just on the main list. I do agree Carr fumbles to much. I disagree with the bold - an int is 100% the other teams ball, where a fumble is around 50/50? If Carr throws 10 ints, the other team has the ball 10 times If Carr fumbles 10 times, they maybe get it 7 times? Both can happen anywhere on the field. Even the stupid fumble OB at the goalline, it just gives the other team the ball. . . same as a redzone pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Good stats. Do you have stats on Turnovers overall Carr's issues are fumbles not INTs since he relatively plays safe passing football. Id argue that fumbles at times are worse than INTs due to the field possession advantage. I was curious about the fumbling also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: unfortunately no, fumbles are always tougher to look for at qbs cause they arent just on the main list. I do agree Carr fumbles to much. I disagree with the bold - an int is 100% the other teams ball, where a fumble is around 50/50? If Carr throws 10 ints, the other team has the ball 10 times If Carr fumbles 10 times, they maybe get it 7 times? Both can happen anywhere on the field. Even the stupid fumble OB at the goalline, it just gives the other team the ball. . . same as a redzone pick You make a good point. There's variables on both sides. Some INTs can be glorified punts. Some fumbles can lead to punts in a down or 2. Lots of times stats don't tell the entire story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 actually have his fumbles and lost per season. . . 2020 - 11 fumbles 8 lost ( at least 1 is not on Carr, it was clearly Richard fault, then a couple blindside sacks are iffy) 2019 - 7 fumbles 3 lost (im shocked at this, seems low. . . for the amount of hate) 2018 - 12 fumbles 7 lost 2017 - 8 fumbles 3 lost (again very low) 2016 - 5 fumbles 3 lost (again pretty low) 2015 - 10 fumbles 3 lost (pretty low turnover. . shows why fumbles are better then ints!!) 2014 - 10 fumbles 4 lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I was curious about the fumbling also TOs are TOs overall. All statistics have variables. Even if the offense stagnates for consecutive possessions it could lead to defensive fatigue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 so Carr averages 4.4 fumbles lost per season - I think it is overblown a little bit on this forum. This year it was definitely a problem though, and it was probably just recency bias - i was shocked by the numbers as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Some INTs can be glorified punts. yup I agree with this. an INT at the end of a half for a hail mary, or on 3rd and long throwing a bomb, who cares. but, those I def dont have access too haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 and just cause i have a feeling itll come up 2014 - 21 TDs - 16 Turnover (12 ints 4 FL) 2015 - 32 TDs - 16 Turnover (13 ints 3 FL) 2016 - 28 TDs - 9 Turnover (6 ints 3 FL) 2017 - 22 TDS - 16 Turonver (13 ints 3 FL) 2018 - 19 TDS - 17 Turnover (10 ints 7 FL) 2019 - 21 TDS - 11 Turnover (8ints 3 FL) 2020 - 27 TDS - 17 Turnover (9 int 8 FL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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