bucksavage1 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Geezy said: how about we try and make this defense middle of the pack and ride the offense to the playoffs. Yall keep ignoring the facts. Ride our offense who is ranked 23rd in the NFL in scoring TDs in the redzone? I guess that's all on Gruden not Carr in peoples world. Even with a better defense we don't score enough TDs in the RZ Edited January 13, 2021 by bucksavage1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: This discussion is going nowhere bro. Changing QBs would be a sin for them even though after 7 seasons the team has went nowhere with him under center. Every player but the QB is different since he got here. There is no downside to replacing Carr but there is also no upside of keeping him. I don't know where this acceptance of losing but you wonder why teams like us are always watching the playoffs at home. I'm all for trading for Watson if that's a possibility. I'm not changing the QB for the sake of it though. Edited January 13, 2021 by oakdb36 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, bucksavage1 said: Ride our offense who is ranked 23rd in the NFL in scoring TDs in the redzone? I guess that's all on Gruden not Carr in peoples world. Even with a better defense we don't enough TDs in the RZ Carr definitely needs to improve / step up his redzone game. So does Gruden. We continually take Waller out in the redzone / near goalline because he isnt in Jumbo package We take Jacobs out when its 3rd down. - Gruden puts in his best blockers for jumbo and in theory it makes sense, but he needs to understand that just having Waller on the field makes the D have to respect the pass option. when jacobs is on the field it is similar, makes D have to respect the run option. - its simple stuff like that, that frustrates me with our playcalling / personelle decisions. -- but all that said, Carr needs to do better in the redzone regardless. he seems to happy to settle for FGs. With our crap D, we need to TDs to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, oakdb36 said: I'm all for drafting for Watson if that's a possibility. I'm not changing the QB for the sake of it though. I'm all for doing what we need to do to win again. I don't care what change needs to happen but this losing culture needs change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, bucksavage1 said: I'm all for doing what we need to do to win again. I don't care what change needs to happen but this losing culture needs change. do you accept that there is a possibility that a QB change comes with the chance of lower QB play? with lower QB play then what we had this season, we are a 4 win team. I am all for upgrading the QB spot, but if we swing and miss, we have at least 3 years of being god awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Fumbles per game 32. Philly31. NO 30. Raiders29. Balt 28.Den27. Wash 26. Arizona 25. Minny24.Clev 23. Pitts - 5 teams in the bottom 10 made playoffs, 2 went 8-8, and 1, 7-9. maybe fumbles per game isnt as big of a factor as you think? to put this further, all of my stats are related to terrible teams. your fumble stat - is actually kinda related to good teams lol None in our division meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: do you accept that there is a possibility that a QB change comes with the chance of lower QB play? with lower QB play then what we had this season, we are a 4 win team. I am all for upgrading the QB spot, but if we swing and miss, we have at least 3 years of being god awful God awful and 8-8 teams hell in the afc 10-6 Teams sit right next to each other come playoff time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: None in our division meh not to sure what this even means truthfully, but last i checked, Den was in AFCW 😉 - edit - and before you say whatever to den we were tied for 3rd most KC was tied for 6th most Edited January 13, 2021 by BackinBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, NCOUGHMAN said: God awful and 8-8 teams hell in the afc 10-6 Teams sit right next to each other come playoff time yup, agreed. and when you give up 29.9 points per game it is extremly unlikely to win 11 games, even if you have the best QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 19 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: "Fix the defense" the year before "Carr needs weapons" the year before "He needs continuity with a OC" the year before "It's Todd Downings fault" or remember "Amari Cooper sucks" now it's "Henry Ruggs is no good" There will always be an excuse, bro Some valid, others not. And that's what you sign up for when you have a good but not great QB, and a guy in Gruden who is terrible at team building. It's purgatory at it's finest. I'm not blaming Carr. He is what he is, I think he would be more successful on a better built team. And we would be better off resetting, imo. But I just think we will spend years chasing the perfect balance for us to win with him and his contract is coming up soon and he will want to be paid. So yeah, let's pay Carr as the third best QB in the division. Lets build our team like the Titans this year. That's about as good as we can hope to be under Carr/Gruden. i mean we got rid of Cooper, upgraded from Downing, gave him the same system for 3 years, added some weapons and he had a career year, lets fix the defense and finish the process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 As stated, in the AFC you need 11 wins to make the playoffs. Can you get to 11 wins with a top 10 scoring O? - - > YES Can you get to 11 wins with a bottom 3 Scoring D - - > NEVER BEEN DONE IN NFL HISTORY - RAIDER FANS - who cares about D, we need a new QB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Ride our offense who is ranked 23rd in the NFL in scoring TDs in the redzone? I guess that's all on Gruden not Carr in peoples world. Even with a better defense we don't score enough TDs in the RZ Nitpicking. Still 10th in scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: not to sure what this even means truthfully, but last i checked, Den was in AFCW 😉 - edit - and before you say whatever to den we were tied for 3rd most KC was tied for 6th most Lol true about den doesnt help when your qb leads the nfl in fumbles. 16 fumbles total and 11 were on carr or 10 cause one was iffy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: As stated, in the AFC you need 11 wins to make the playoffs. Can you get to 11 wins with a top 10 scoring O? - - > YESCan you get to 11 wins with a bottom 3 Scoring D - - > NEVER BEEN DONE IN NFL HISTORY - RAIDER FANS - who cares about D, we need a new QB! It's like we should upgrade the defense or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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