NCOUGHMAN Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Yeah the kenny moore interception and the one off of Richards hands. I agree with PFF there. Neither of those were really Carr's fault. Oh yea that Indy game where waller got mossed by the midget cb. So that was waller’s fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: You don't have to believe it. We just want you to see it. I’ll admit I don’t know the metrics just see it conveniently tossed around as trash or the truth of all truths. Didn’t know which one it was this time my bad carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Oh yea that Indy game where waller got mossed by the midget cb. So that was waller’s fault? Did I say that? It was an amazing interception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Did I say that? It was an amazing interception. You said it wasn’t Carr’s fault? And they were the only 2 raiders involved...so is it gruden’s fault for calling the play? How does this work? Ohhh I get it it’s the defense fault Edited January 15, 2021 by NCOUGHMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, NCOUGHMAN said: You said it wasn’t Carr’s fault? And they were the only 2 raiders involved...so is it gruden’s fault for calling the play? How does this work? Ohhh I get it it’s the defense fault What are you on about? I just said it wasn’t his fault. I didn’t say it was the defenses fault either. Is it not possible for the Colts defender to make an incredible play? Do you not think that was an incredible interception? That’s a terrible strawman. The defense was atrocious in that game now that you mention it. Has nothing to do with that play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said: What are you on about? I just said it wasn’t his fault. I didn’t say it was the defenses fault either. Is it not possible for the Colts defender to make an incredible play? Do you not think that was an incredible interception? That’s a terrible strawman. The defense was atrocious in that game now that you mention it. Has nothing to do with that play. Sorry but it was carr fault. He threw a floater and gave defender a chance to make the great play. You keep leading waller to corner and put more zip, less air and it's an easy td. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: You said it wasn’t Carr’s fault? And they were the only 2 raiders involved...so is it gruden’s fault for calling the play? How does this work? Ohhh I get it it’s the defense fault It always someone else's fault when Carr is invovled in a mistake. If the team wins or scores it is because of only Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: What are you on about? I just said it wasn’t his fault. I didn’t say it was the defenses fault either. Is it not possible for the Colts defender to make an incredible play? Do you not think that was an incredible interception? That’s a terrible strawman. The defense was atrocious in that game now that you mention it. Has nothing to do with that play. Ok so from time to time pff determines that a play like that is just a good defensive play? Honest question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, dante9876 said: Sorry but it was carr fault. He threw a floater and gave defender a chance to make the great play. You keep leading waller to corner and put more zip, less air and it's an easy td. That’s not what pff thinks I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: It always someone else's fault when Carr is invovled in a mistake. If the team wins or scores it is because of only Carr. I wonder if carr got credit for that foster td Iirc that game where he lightweight ripped it from the db. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I’ll admit I don’t know the metrics just see it conveniently tossed around as trash or the truth of all truths. Didn’t know which one it was this time my bad carry on I was just saying it's a piece of info and you can do what you feel like doing with it. PFF isn't the truth. I'm not the truth. You're not the truth. Edited January 15, 2021 by oakdb36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: That’s not what pff thinks I guess Did they gave Carr a 99 grade? No. So i guess there were some bad plays in those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 46 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Ok so from time to time pff determines that a play like that is just a good defensive play? Honest question Was I the one quoting PFF? And obviously yes, from what I understand they look at the context of the play. The decision and throw weren't bad. It was just a great interception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: It always someone else's fault when Carr is invovled in a mistake. If the team wins or scores it is because of only Carr. You've outdone yourself. This is even worse than the win loss analysis from before. Imagine watching this and thinking people are scapegoating blame: 56 minutes ago, dante9876 said: Sorry but it was carr fault. He threw a floater and gave defender a chance to make the great play. You keep leading waller to corner and put more zip, less air and it's an easy td. So it should have been intercepted? I didn't say it was a great throw. I just didn't think Kenny Moore would OBJ that pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Going back to the original question of this thread.. What do we do with Carr in his final season under contract? At the time he signed it we won 12 games and he became the highest paid QB in the NFL as Franchise QB. Since then, we have had 4 non winning seasons. Every year we have invested and allocated FA signings and high draft picks to support Carr. Waller (outperformed his deal), Kolton Miller and Carr all need new deals. Do we go down the path of paying Carr again as a Franchise QB even though he needs everything around him to be set. If we do, we can't fix the defense and gotta get extremely better in the draft Edited January 15, 2021 by bucksavage1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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