MrOaktown_56 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, Geezy said: if he was a main reason for us losing and was holding the team back, similar to how Goff is holding the Rams back, then youd have a case. Weve yet to see that, aside from '16 where he had a team good enough to compete in the playoffs. Imo were close to that point, just need to get the defense to respectable first. also, those Raider teams who dominated were staaaacked on both sides, clearly not the case anymore. It doesn’t fit the narrative. If he’s mediocre why is he still around? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, Geezy said: if he was a main reason for us losing and was holding the team back, similar to how Goff is holding the Rams back, then youd have a case. Weve yet to see that, aside from '16 where he had a team good enough to compete in the playoffs. Imo were close to that point, just need to get the defense to respectable first. also, those Raider teams who dominated were staaaacked on both sides, clearly not the case anymore. I disagree, Carr is holding us back. He is a good player overall but he isn't good enough. Why not try something new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, BackinBlack said: lol you are out of your mind if you think every draft class has 1 or 2 superstar QBs. Most definitely. With a QB career lasting 10+ years, you'd have at least 15 superstar QBs in the league right now. We all know this isn't the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: I know exactly who Carr is and I understand football which is a team sport. Do I want him to be surrounded with better talent, and average D and win more games, of course but that is on the coach, GM and front office to do so. The front office has failed miserably in doing so throughout Carr's career and the 15 years before Carr was here. Pinning wins and losses directly to a QB is about as low brow an uneducated of an opinion as one can have. If your stance was the consensus how would it be possible to have a QB in the HOF with a sub .500 career winning percentage? So more wins won’t change your opinion of carr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: So more wins won’t change your opinion of carr? According to the Carr defenders, more wins won't matter since they claim it is only a team stat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: So more wins won’t change your opinion of carr? Once again do wins and losses define how good a QB is? Clearly the answer is no or else Warren Moon would not be in the HOF with a sub .500 winning percentage. Do I want the Raiders to win more games, of course I do but talent wise we are a 4 win team and the fact we won 8 game is a testament as to how well Carr played. Football 101... Football is a team sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, bucksavage1 said: According to the Carr defenders, more wins won't matter since they claim it is only a team stat Football 101. Football is a team sport. You guys crack me up as to how you claim to understand the game but clearly lack the ability to comprehend what you are watching... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Football 101. Football is a team sport. You guys crack me up as to how you claim to understand the game but clearly lack the ability to comprehend what you are watching... Why does the NFL itself only tracks W/L records to QBs, coaches and front offices only? This crushes your claim. Never heard a win loss record associated with the DT or RG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: I disagree, Carr is holding us back. He is a good player overall but he isn't good enough. Why not try something new? You sure the bottom 3 defense wasn't holding us back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Once again do wins and losses define how good a QB is? Clearly the answer is no or else Warren Moon would not be in the HOF with a sub .500 winning percentage. Do I want the Raiders to win more games, of course I do but talent wise we are a 4 win team and the fact we won 8 game is a testament as to how well Carr played. Football 101... Football is a team sport. Interesting fair enough so if carr never won a game again it wouldn’t change your opinion of him. Interesting position to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Why does the NFL itself only tracks W/L records to QBs, coaches and front offices only? This crushes your claim. Never heard a win loss record associated with the DT or RG. Same reason why qb comebacks victories are an actual tracked stat. But wait for it..... not a team stat..... but strictly a qb stat Edited January 19, 2021 by NCOUGHMAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Football 101. Football is a team sport. You guys crack me up as to how you claim to understand the game but clearly lack the ability to comprehend what you are watching... Yet you just said we’re a 4 win team but the fact we won 8 is a testament to “carr” Edited January 19, 2021 by NCOUGHMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Same reason why qb comebacks victories are an actual tracked stat. A convenient stat used to defend Carr but no losses are attributed to him according to this Carr defender logic Edited January 19, 2021 by bucksavage1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jerry said: You sure the bottom 3 defense wasn't holding us back? Our offense has not reached its peak, perhaps a Better QB can get more out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: Every year there is a franchise level QB that gets drafted to a team. Sometimes 2 ok cool, so now you are saying every year there is 1 or 2 franchise level qbs. . . not Star QBs. keep shifting the goalposts, i love it. Question for you, From 2014, who is the Franchise QB? 3 Blake Bortles Jaguars Central Florida 2 1 22 22 Johnny Manziel Browns Texas A&M 3 1 32 32 Teddy Bridgewater Vikings Louisville 4 2 4 36 Derek Carr Raiders Fresno State 5 2 30 62 Jimmy Garoppolo Patriots Eastern Illinois 6 4 20 120 Logan Thomas Cardinals Virginia Tech 7 4 35 135 Tom Savage Texans Pittsburgh 8 5 23 163 Aaron Murray Chiefs Georgia 9 5 24 164 AJ McCarron Bengals Alabama 10 6 2 178 Zach Mettenberger Titans Louisiana State 11 6 7 183 David Fales Bears San Jose State 12 6 18 194 Keith Wenning Ravens Ball State 13 6 37 213 Tajh Boyd Jets Clemson 14 6 38 214 Garrett Gilbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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