Jerry Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: Latavius Murray in 2015 went over 1,000. In 2016, the Raiders had the 6th best running game. Amari Cooper is better than any of the weapons you listed for Stafford other than Megatron. Eric Ebron was a massive bust idk why you even put him in there. Both Defenses have been disasters. That's all that matters Staff > Carr. Just your opinion. Can't really prove it with facts. We can literally go down the list of stats and W-L records and defenses and everything and the end result will remain with everyone just having their own opinions/perspectives. I said this in another post, DC is cheaper and younger. I'll roll with the cheaper, younger player between the two. Stafford won't get our team to the playoffs, but he will probably get the Rams to the NFC championship, or close at least. I wouldn't have traded all that for Stafford though. Rams should've gone that hard after Watson. Probably tried and failed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 44 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: How many eilte QB's are in the NFL and care to list your current top 10 in order? Sorry about the last quote. Just realized you said QB not WR. Going look later today. I have to go pick up my wife's reformer. Save money by not going anywhere but the woman keeps shopping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jerry said: Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Allen, Watson, Jackson, Tannehill, Murray, Roethlisberger. No order really, would obviously put the first players listed near the top and the later listed players closer to 10th. Just wanted to do this because I enjoy it. Of that list you have the elite QB's are Mahomes, Wilson, Watson and Rogers (even though I would not build around him because of his age). Keep in mind that Watson, who many fans are pounding the table that we trade Carr and our next three drafts for, won 4 games last year on a team with more talent than we have. Allen is close to that elite tier from what I saw last year but I am not ready to throw him into that group after only 1 good season. The rest on your list are highly debatable as I would list Carr above Jackson, Tannehill, Murray and Big Ben and right in line with Brady. Brady clearly needs elite talent around him at this point in his career to contend, look at his stats over the last 2 years in NE as my point. Average stats and that is while playing with a top tier D. I would also put Stafford ahead of the majority of those QB's as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Of that list you have the elite QB's are Mahomes, Wilson, Watson and Rogers (even though I would not build around him because of his age). Keep in mind that Watson, who many fans are pounding the table that we trade Carr and our next three drafts for, won 4 games last year on a team with more talent than we have. Allen is close to that elite tier from what I saw last year but I am not ready to throw him into that group after only 1 good season. The rest on your list are highly debatable as I would list Carr above Jackson, Tannehill, Murray and Big Ben and right in line with Brady. Brady clearly needs elite talent around him at this point in his career to contend, look at his stats over the last 2 years in NE as my point. Average stats and that is while playing with a top tier D. I would also put Stafford ahead of the majority of those QB's as well. I honestly think the same. If I had listed Carr though 2-3 posters would have lost their minds. I'm completely content and highly determined though to argue that DC is a top 12 QB. Seriously though, I agree with everything you said. I think Carr could go to the Ravens, Titans, Cardinals, or Steelers and ball out. Probably take each of those teams to the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Jerry said: I don't think you can really compare the two players. We really don't know who's better because they don't play with the same coaches, rosters, nothing. Only things you can compare is age and cap. DC is younger and paid 5M less per season. I would prefer rolling with DC just based upon those two metrics. I think Stafford will succeed because the Rams' roster is clearly built to go on a run. Can't compare the two then you proceed to single out two aspects that favor Carr. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: How many eilte QB's are in the NFL and care to list your current top 10 in order? Better Deshaun WatsonHOU On the boarder Patrick MahomesKC Elite Tom BradyTB Goat Josh AllenBUF On the border of elite Aaron RodgersGB Elite Russell WilsonSEA Elite Lamar JacksonBAL Better weapon not QB Dak PrescottDAL Before injury this year he was elite Justin HerbertLAC Rookie but showed enough Could be Better Kyler MurrayARI Baker MayfieldCLE Daniel JonesNYG Joe BurrowCIN To Early Tua TagovailoaMIA Jalen HurtsPHI Close Matthew StaffordDET Has more talent and heart Matt RyanATL Kirk CousinsMIN Ryan TannehillTEN BenRoethlisbergerPIT Close to falling off the list Jared GoffLAR See above Since I know where this is going I did it relative to Carr also. I would say 6 elite QBs with the chance for a couple more next year but you may lose a couple also. After seeing what Dak did at the beginning of the year I think Carr can still elevate his game but he needs to stop being so conservative. I do not think he will but if the light bulb goes on and he gets loose he can move up. Carr has to fix the problem between his ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Better Deshaun WatsonHOU On the boarder Patrick MahomesKC Elite Tom BradyTB Goat Josh AllenBUF On the border of elite Aaron RodgersGB Elite Russell WilsonSEA Elite Lamar JacksonBAL Better weapon not QB Dak PrescottDAL Before injury this year he was elite Justin HerbertLAC Rookie but showed enough Could be Better Kyler MurrayARI Baker MayfieldCLE Daniel JonesNYG Joe BurrowCIN To Early Tua TagovailoaMIA Jalen HurtsPHI Close Matthew StaffordDET Has more talent and heart Matt RyanATL Kirk CousinsMIN Ryan TannehillTEN BenRoethlisbergerPIT Close to falling off the list Jared GoffLAR See above Since I know where this is going I did it relative to Carr also. I would say 6 elite QBs with the chance for a couple more next year but you may lose a couple also. After seeing what Dak did at the beginning of the year I think Carr can still elevate his game but he needs to stop being so conservative. I do not think he will but if the light bulb goes on and he gets loose he can move up. Carr has to fix the problem between his ears Yeah you see the games where he lets it loose and goes full gunslinger and I love that. I think Gruden likes his methodical gameplan, but sometimes you have to just let it rip like the 2nd KC game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 49 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Yeah you see the games where he lets it loose and goes full gunslinger and I love that. I think Gruden likes his methodical gameplan, but sometimes you have to just let it rip like the 2nd KC game. He is fully capable of hanging with any QB in the league. His is start in between his ears. Not to offend anyone but he is not smart and when you get to him he gets rattled. There are other top QBs that rattled too but Carr tends to spiral to the point that the backup would do better. If most athletes were not so sensitive I would say get Fitz as his backup and just throw him in whenever Carr just does not have it. Similar to how you treat a pitcher. You might need Fitz to play a half in 3-4 games but he thrives in those situations. Teams would also have to plan for 2 different QBs every week because if you can stop Carr you are going to have to stop a another QB with a different approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Time for Mayock to nut up and offer Carr plus multiple 1st round picks to secure Watson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: Can't compare the two then you proceed to single out two aspects that favor Carr. Nice. Well facts are facts. We know for a fact he is younger and costs less. Statistics and success on two different teams are much harder to measure IMO. What else would you really care to measure to make your argument that Stafford is better right now? He didn't have a stellar season. Lions sucked. I mean he's going to take an explosive offense with tons of talent and turn them around, but I personally believe DC could do the same. Again, we can point at TDs, INTs, fumbles, W-L record, surrounding talent, etc., but at the end of the day, it's just two fans arguing their opinions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: Time for Mayock to nut up and offer Carr plus multiple 1st round picks to secure Watson. Al Davis would of made this trade yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 18 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Keep in mind that Watson, who many fans are pounding the table that we trade Carr and our next three drafts for, won 4 games last year on a team with more talent than we have. This is such a lazy statement. Everyone knows the Texans organization is a mess. They fired a lame duck head coach 4 games into the season. And the Texans do not have more talent on offense than Vegas. Watson plays in Vegas in 2021, he adds 3 wins to the win column and the Raiders make the playoffs. He makes the plays Carr can't in the red zone. And he's the leader Carr isn't down the stretch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Jerry said: Just your opinion. Can't really prove it with facts. We can literally go down the list of stats and W-L records and defenses and everything and the end result will remain with everyone just having their own opinions/perspectives. I said this in another post, DC is cheaper and younger. I'll roll with the cheaper, younger player between the two. Stafford won't get our team to the playoffs, but he will probably get the Rams to the NFC championship, or close at least. I wouldn't have traded all that for Stafford though. Rams should've gone that hard after Watson. Probably tried and failed though. You can prove it by looking at how valued Stafford was in trade with several teams involved and the Panthers reportedly offering up #8 overall. If Carr could command that in a trade, Mayock/Gruden would jump effortlessly. Teams know Carr has limitations to his game. Everyone is sleeping on Stafford because he's been with a terrible organization his entire career. The same organization Calvin Johnson decided to retire early from. Stafford is a deep ball specialist. He's led the NFL in game winning drives three separate times in his career and has 31 all time ranking among the top QBs to play. Stafford is about to blow up under McVey. It will be the first time he plays in an offense that maximizes his talent as a QB. It's going to be fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, big_palooka said: You can prove it by looking at how valued Stafford was in trade with several teams involved and the Panthers reportedly offering up #8 overall. If Carr could command that in a trade, Mayock/Gruden would jump effortlessly. Teams know Carr has limitations to his game. Everyone is sleeping on Stafford because he's been with a terrible organization his entire career. The same organization Calvin Johnson decided to retire early from. Stafford is a deep ball specialist. He's led the NFL in game winning drives three separate times in his career and has 31 all time ranking among the top QBs to play. Stafford is about to blow up under McVey. It will be the first time he plays in an offense that maximizes his talent as a QB. It's going to be fun to watch. His W/L record is terrible though! Still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: His W/L record is terrible though! Still waiting. Waiting for what? I don't look at W/L as a QB stat. Both guys are with bad organizations. I go by what I see and Stafford by far an away a better pure passer than Carr. Smoother in the pocket and pressure doesn't bother him. He's also been to the playoffs a couple times. Carr is B- QB whom Gruden has gotten to a B. Stafford is a B+ who McVey will push to A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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