massraider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Danger said: Watching each of them play. Bateman jumps out the most. Every draft class everyone has a few players who you can just tell is going to be successful at the next level with good confidence. Bateman is one of those couple guys for me in this draft class. Now, will he be a good #2, or perhaps a #1? That much I can't definitely say. I have a low bar for these WRs to clear in order for them to be a 'hit'. Bunch of short guys, and the #2/#3 guys are 170 lbs/5'9"? I'm not expecting #1 WRs, where guys eat up targets. If they are good football players, that's a hit. My exceptions for them don't change if they are over-drafted. History says Waddle and Smith should not be top 10 picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see the OTs, CB, and EDGE guys overtake them in the newer mocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, massraider said: I have a low bar for these WRs to clear in order for them to be a 'hit'. Bunch of short guys, and the #2/#3 guys are 170 lbs/5'9"? I'm not expecting #1 WRs, where guys eat up targets. If they are good football players, that's a hit. My exceptions for them don't change if they are over-drafted. History says Waddle and Smith should not be top 10 picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see the OTs, CB, and EDGE guys overtake them in the newer mocks. Neither should Chase then based on his size as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: I think Marshall has the size and speed that might push him ahead of Bateman, even though I think he is the riskiest of those WRs by far. I view Toney the way you view Bateman. 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massraider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Neither should Chase then based on his size as well. I won't argue with that, but I think in THIS draft class, I don't think it's outrageous. Calvin Johnson is top 10 any year. In a year with not top 5 CB, DT, or LB, DE? Maybe Chase is. But Chase has no measurement/age/speed red flags. If someone tells me they think none of those other WRs should be 1st round picks, I wouldn't argue with it. Edited April 3, 2021 by massraider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Broncofan Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) Re: Chase height, it's more than mitigated by his ability to separate, and his catch radius. I have no concerns given those show up on tape, not just when measured. For the short stature/size guys, the Q is whether they have traits that overcome their size issues. Smith's ability to separate, and highpoint ability, are well above guys his size. The bulk issue is probably the biggest Q in my mind, enough to put him 3rd behind Chase & Waddle, TBH. For Waddle, IMO he's the closest thing to Tyreek Hill since Hill. That level of functional speed is just so special. And unlike John Ross or Corey Coleman or Tavon Austin, he's not a pure speed guy in a wide open O / tailored O to get the ball in space - he absolutely torched elite, top level competition in both big SEC and playoff games. I actually think he's the 3rd most likely WR to succeed behind Jeudy & Ridley, in terms of translating to the NFL (Smith 4th, Ruggs 5th - and to be clear, I was fading Ruggs hard in the Ruggs/Jeudy/Lamb convos last year, so it's not recency bias). If there's an argument to be made on WR value in Rd1, that's fair game - you had better be getting the alpha-dog WR, top target, crunch-time player to make a top 15 pick worthwhile, and something close even in back half of Rd1 (but the alternatives are less certain, too). Edited April 3, 2021 by Broncofan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Scoundrel said: 👀 Die in a fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinebackerGod Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Broncofan said: Re: Chase height, it's more than mitigated by his ability to separate, and his catch radius. I have no concerns given those show up on tape, not just when measured. For the short stature/size guys, the Q is whether they have traits that overcome their size issues. Smith's ability to separate, and highpoint ability, are well above guys his size. The bulk issue is probably the biggest Q in my mind, enough to put him 3rd behind Chase & Waddle, TBH. For Waddle, IMO he's the closest thing to Tyreek Hill since Hill. That level of functional speed is just so special. And unlike John Ross or Corey Coleman or Tavon Austin, he's not a pure speed guy in a wide open O / tailored O to get the ball in space - he absolutely torched elite, top level competition in both big SEC and playoff games. I actually think he's the 3rd most likely WR to succeed behind Jeudy & Ridley, in terms of translating to the NFL (Smith 4th, Ruggs 5th - and to be clear, I was fading Ruggs hard in the Ruggs/Jeudy/Lamb convos last year, so it's not recency bias). If there's an argument to be made on WR value in Rd1, that's fair game - you had better be getting the alpha-dog WR, top target, crunch-time player to make a top 15 pick worthwhile, and something close even in back half of Rd1 (but the alternatives are less certain, too). Waddle has vertical speed for days, but Tyreek is able to turn his speed into power in the open field. That’s why I think Tyreek is much better. I love Waddle tho. He high points better than Tyreek and is a much better overall WR right now than Hill was coming out. Polished burners are rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Die in a fire. Damn dude that’s very messed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Scoundrel said: Damn dude that’s very messed up A happy tickle fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: A happy tickle fire? Hope he wasn’t one of the ones you were hoping make it to 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Hope he wasn’t one of the ones you were hoping make it to 30. No? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: No? Aight cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Danger said: Who are your late round guys? I'm looking at Josh Imatorbhebe Tamorrion Terry Whop Philyor Those guys plus: Josh Palmer Shi Smith Anthony Schwartz if he's a late rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Aight cool And if he was, he'd be the one I'd least expect to get. So assuming that hypothetically he was, I might survive not getting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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