Offseason Plan

[Jag68Sid87]

I definitely like the idea of going to a 4-3 base. I think it makes more sense because it is easier to play 3 corners regularly, imo. 

In free agency, I would target winning football players from winning programs. I would target veterans who still have game, and hey why not some superstar talent if we can get it?

Julio Jones; Richard Sherman; J.J. Watt...go big or go home.

 

Tight end is a position I am on the fence about. I think Herndon has tons of talent but do we even use the tight end at all in the passing game? A head coach who features the tight end might really help Herndon break out. That said, he definitely does need competition and we need better depth at the position. Wesco remains unproven as well but he too has potential as a blocker. 

 

I want Travis Etienne with the Seattle first. It makes too much sense for us to pair the Clemson backfield mates together. An offense centered around Lawrence, Etienne and Becton could be a force in this league, imo.

 

I would probably keep Perriman. He is a threat and his presence can open things up underneath for others.

 

Not sure we need to keep Poole or Hewitt. If we bring in a true No. 1 CB (Sherman is my preference, and he has started to state that he does not think he will be back in SF), then we can use someone like Guidry or Austin in the slot. Or even Hall, if Sherman is playing LCB. I think we have more talent at corner than I had anticipated. Even Lamar Jackson is not worthless, and who knows maybe a guy like Ballentine can be a depth CB and return man? As for Hewitt, I don't think we need all of Hewitt, Mosley and Cashman. And there's also Langi, too. I'd keep Mosley if he is healthy and ready to go, and I think Cashman might have a future. Hewitt has played well, so maybe we can get value for him in a trade? 

I want a new kicker, too. I don't trust Ficken or Castillo.

[xrade]

1 minute ago, Jag68Sid87 said:

Julio Jones; Richard Sherman; J.J. Watt...go big or go home.

More like go old and then the retirement home.  All are highly paid shells of their former selves.  If we were close to being a playoff team and needed that one big WR for a year or two or that on big DE for a year or two (forget Sherman, he is done), then great, go for it.  We are not that team.  Those guys will offer very little and then be retired by the time we get good.  I prefer FA's that are a little younger and can grow with this franchise for the next 3-4 years or longer.

[Jag68Sid87]

7 minutes ago, xrade said:

More like go old and then the retirement home.  All are highly paid shells of their former selves.  If we were close to being a playoff team and needed that one big WR for a year or two or that on big DE for a year or two (forget Sherman, he is done), then great, go for it.  We are not that team.  Those guys will offer very little and then be retired by the time we get good.  I prefer FA's that are a little younger and can grow with this franchise for the next 3-4 years or longer.

Sure, younger guys are better and more expensive. But this team lacks leadership in the biggest way. We need to bring in a new set of leaders, guys who know greatness, guys with rings, etc.

[xrade]

Just now, Jag68Sid87 said:

Sure, younger guys are better and more expensive. But this team lacks leadership in the biggest way. We need to bring in a new set of leaders, guys who know greatness, guys with rings, etc.

I would imagine those three players you mentioned would be very expensive.  Yes, we do lack leadership on the field, at least I think we do since we do not know what goes on in the locker room.  Trading away McClendon and Avery hurt in that arena, but you do not necessarily need older high-priced vets for that role. 

[J_E_T_$]

On 12/9/2020 at 8:19 AM, jetsfan4life51 said:

• Looking over some of the best passing attacks a lot of it boils down to QB play.  I don’t see teams that are rolling deep with 3-4 WRs.  Most teams have their stud then another good/great WR or TE.  Right now we have piss poor QB play and coaching.  Sam is not allowed to audible at the line which puts us at a huge disadvantage.  OL play has honestly been great considering how abysmal it has been the previous few years.  It’s crazy that we may go 0-16 and barring incompetent moves I feel great about this team going forward.
• Another thing we must do is change our defensive strategy.  We need to run a base of 4 down linemen.  Q will explode, Zuniga will fit in better, JFM and Foley will do fine.  We can use a rotation on the edge and then we just need to find that one edge player.  But this gives us flexibility.  Instead of trying to find a guy who stands up, we can look for a down lineman. Plus we know our guys are versatile enough and have the experience for when we want to use 3.  I think we would be able to create more pressure as well.  Then with Mosley, Cashman, Hewitt, draftee we can roll mainly 2 LBs.  We need to grab a rangy LB in the draft who can patrol the middle of the field.  Who knows how Mosley will be after two years off and what seems to be a real beta attitude.
• Back to position analysis just thinking out loud.  What’s the goal for WR in Free Agency?  Are we getting a starter? Do we just want a vet placeholder? Speed or reliable target?  Hypothetically if we get a solid vet in the Allen Robinson talent range, that gives us 3 capable starting WRs.  As much as I want a 1st round WR, we may be wasting him early.  Unless this is a long term move not bringing back Crowder.  On the other hand, if we skip WR in free agency and then have to rely on a rookie, Mims and Crowder, that is a gamble.  I’m shying away from the Perriman train.  I would prefer to draft a deep threat instead of bringing him back.  Between his health issues and IMO not being a "gamer" I would rather let him go in favor of a free agent and/or draft pick.  But after going through the rosters of teams with the most passing yards, it has been more of a testament to the QB than the weapons IMO.  And while we’re with receivers, IDK what the hell to think with our TEs.  Herndon and Griffin both flashed but between the way Gase and Loggains use TEs now and how bad Sam has been we have to write both guys off. Herndon hasn’t helped by dropping his few targets.
• Next up is OL.  We all expect JD to pay Thuney.  In fact I think we'll all be upset and shocked if we can't land him unless BB decides to pay him.  Luckily a previous draft favorite, Elflein, has looked great. Is that because he is next to Becton?  Don't know, don't care.  But the real question is what is his position? Do we give up on McGovern and move him to Center.  Do we give McGovern one last chance and slide him to RG?  I believe if we land Thuney then we should use TC to see who is better suited at C and RG.  Maybe McGovern slides over and plays better.  I am a huge fan of both Wyatt Davis in the first or Trey Smith top of the 2nd for us, and we know how important the OL is, but I think we can get away with what we have.  If we don't get Thuney then obviously a first round OG would be very smart.  But with all of our holes and some confidence in how our roster can play out I think we should be spreading out our resources.  I originally wanted every position on the offense drafted with our first 4-5 picks but things are changing.
• Let's move over to the secondary now.  Bryce Hall is a starter.  We have some young guys who I do not want to give up on yet.  We have Poole for the slot when healthy.  I think this is an easy fix.  Get a pass rusher, use a 4 man front and grab a CB in FA.  I would not be opposed to it but I don't see the need to spend a top pick on a CB until other things are fixed.  We have money, we can sign a guy.  It would be nice to have the experience.  Now with Safety I hope we lock up Maye and he becomes the leader.  But we need another Safety in the mix.  I'm still not sure what position Maye is. Davis has been struggling in coverage and being asked to blitz a lot.  If we have the option to find a rangy Safety I would prefer that.  I am Maye's biggest critic on tackling but his best game was week 1 playing in the box.  I don't think that is Davis' role so we need a coverage guy incase they keep trying to put Davis in the box.

Head Coach
Until we hear an actual no I am going with Matt Campbell as my guy.  This is going to be a young team with the 1st overall pick, multiple picks, new QB, etc. and I think that plus a fat check is enough to lure him to the NFL ranks. I don’t have the slightest clue who his coordinators will be but this guy is a leader and I want him to pick whoever he feels would be best.

Resign
Marcus Maye- we need a team leader, he hasn’t earned a huge ticket so we can lock him up for a good price
Neville Hewitt- good depth to have
Brian Poole- important slot CB, will be a big piece moving forward
Jeff or Vyncint Smith
Tarell Basham

Let Walk/Cut
Henry Anderson
Breshad Perriman
Bradley MacDougald- anyone remember he exists? Lol
Jordan Jenkins

Free Agents
Joe Thuney LG- JD is ready and willing to pay
Allen Robinson WR- still at a safe age, he’s a reliable target and is putting up big numbers with brutal QB play.  He will be excited for the young Lawrence to toss his way.
Shaq Barrett DE- he wanted a long term deal, will be testing the waters.  Hasn’t lived up to his contract year last year but we can afford to pay him
Ronald Darby CB- not going to lie, just picking a random solid CB in free agency who may take a modest contract.  I can’t expect us to keep landing guys just because we have money
Leonard Fournette RB- wants to prove himself as the lead dog.  Little competition in the Jets backfield for him.  He can block and catch which is very important for a rookie QB.  Could be a cheap one year prove it deal or we grab him for 2 years.

Trade
New York Jets trade Sam Darnold to Chicago Bears for 3rd round pick plus future conditional based on if he resigns.  The Bears are in no man’s land.  Not high enough to grab a top guy.  They take Sam as a reclamation project at a potentially low cost, while keeping high picks to add talent at RB and WR.  And if he works out then it’s worth the future conditional pick.  JD gambles and likes his chances with the 2022 pick.

Draft
1(1)- Trevor Lawrence QB, Clemson
-No explanation needed
1(26)- Pat Freirmeuth TE, Penn State
-While my draft man crush is Kyle Pitts, he’s going top 15.  But Pat F is going to be everyone’s favorite player.  Uses his hands, excellent and diverse route runner, knows how to get open and work the middle of the field, plows through defenders after the catch.  Having him work the middle of the field along with Crowder is going to do wonders for Lawrence.  Having him as a starting TE is more valuable than drafting a WR that will be 4th on the depth chart.
2(1)- Patrick Jones II DE, Pittsburgh
-JD listens for trade offers and my gut tells me he takes one but if it’s me I take the top pass rusher available.  Perfect fit for the transition back to a 4 man front.  Not going to burn you with explosiveness off the snap (one weakness is he’s a little delayed) but he offers a variety of moves.  He will beat you with speed, bull rush, spin, inside moves and my favorite part is he strips the football.  When it’s 3rd down and he pins his ears back he will explode off the snap, just wish it was more consistent.  Good run defender too.
3(1)- Jacoby Stevens Hybrid, LSU
-Is he a Safety? Is he a LB? Either way he is someone who can help patrol the middle of the field where we are weak as shhh. Let Maye and Davis play the traditional S roles but this guy can cover TEs, heck maybe even a slot here and there, and he brings the heat when rushing the passer.  I say convert this guy to a LB or just have him as a jack of all trades.  He will provide plenty of value to the defense. Seriously we get punished in the middle of the field and I think he can be a huge help. 
3(13)- Kadarius Toney WR, Florida
-As long as we sign a free agent WR then my goal is to wait and draft a burner.  This guy is extremely shifty once he gets the ball into his hands and a creative OC will have a field day with him.  Then he can open up the field with a few deep shots as well.
3(26)- Jimmy Morrisey C, Pittsburgh
-Technician who will sit and gain some size/strength.
4(1)- Thomas Graham Jr, CB, Oregon
-Slot CB and depth
5(1)- Charles Snowden LB, Virginia
-Once again, don’t know how Mosley will play and we need rangy LBers.
5(19)- Rhamonde Stevenson RB, Oklahoma
-Suspended earlier in the year, has dropped weight and had a couple of monster games
7(1)- Brett Cimaglia K, Tennessee
-Wanted a kicker and threw him in since Bobby did lol.
7(26)- OL

Man is it tempting to beef up the OL and grab a Guard early, but I’m putting my eggs in the Thuney and Elflein basket.  Also, all season long I have been dreaming of finally drafting a 1st round WR and my opinion is continuing to shy away from that.  Mims looks really good, we will have a shot at a Free Agent and Crowder is Crowder.  I think grabbing someone in the 1st becomes overkill and it’s going to be hard to spread the ball around.  That’s why I would rather become a little more balanced and grab a stud TE. Then in the 3rd or 4th grab a burner that can stretch the field.  Honestly I think Cager was ready to contribute if he didn’t get hurt. Should a UDFA on IR prevent us from drafting a WR, of course not.  But I think the type of WR necessary is a Toney or Atwell.  I’m still unsure about drafting a RB high.  Again, if Fournette/veteran comes in and both Perine and Johnson are healthy I just don’t see enough snaps to take someone early and waste a year or two.  I’d rather wait until 2021 to see what our offense is then jump on one.  
Rushing Yards/Game (passing yards/game)
Baltimore (32)
Cleveland (26)
NE (30)
Arizona (19)
Tennessee (18)
Minnesota (16)
New Orleans (21)
I know some of these are top 10 offenses however, none of them have a QB like Lawrence.  We need to treat him like Rodgers, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Watson, Dak and let him be the offense.  Our QB and passing game is going to be our identity. This isn’t Darnold or Jones or someone who we have to baby along.  

I have also changed my tune on defense.  Originally I wanted to ignore and add as much young offensive talent as possible but now I want a full shift including spending a high pick at DE.  With the defense we need a starter at End and we need some role players.  Guys who are rangy and can cover the middle of the field.  I foresee some flack for Stevens but if you can cover Kyle Pitts then you are doing something right.  Think of him as a better version of Mark Barron.  Especially if we are running a 4-2.  He’s big enough to be a 3rd LB, he can blitz off the edge or up the middle like a LB, and he’s rangy enough to cover.  We can’t fix everything in one offseason, especially when you are 0-16, so this is what I would choose to hit and I think it covers our weaknesses.  The key is we have a leader at coach who will bring in his own staff and we have an identity on offense.

QB: Lawrence, 
RB: Fournette, Perine, Johnson, Stevenson
WR: Robinson, Cager
LT: Becton
LG: Thuney
😄 McGovern
RG: Elflein
RT: Fant
TE: Freirmuth, Herndon, Griffin
WR: Mims, Smith
Slot: Crowder, Berrios, Toney

DE: Jones II, Basham
DT: Q, JFM
DT: Foley, Shepherd
DE: Barrett, Zuniga, Huff
LB: Mosley, Stevens, Cashman, Hewitt, Snowden
CB: Hall, Jackson
S: Maye
S: Davis
CB: Darby, Austin
Slot: Poole, Graham Jr
 

OK, no #1, start completely over..... there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick.  Fields has had 2 terrible games this year, and he is not worth #2.  Start over with Darnold staying or signing a free agent QB.  

your free agents were ok except

Joe Thuney LG- please do not pay $16-$18 mil per year for and OG, sign a rookie in the 3rd round who's not quite as good, but saves $15-$17 million per year and a position that makes a difference.

I would love to trade CJ Mosley, take a 4th or 5th round pick for him,  maybe Washington who has cap space and Riverboat Ron loves LB's.

 

1(26)- Pat Freirmeuth TE, Penn State is NOT a first round draft pick, and we have too many other holes to waste a pick.

Edited December 23, 2020 by J_E_T_$
missed rookies

[Big T]

I like Thuney and Robinson additions, major boost in the arm for the OL and WR corps.

Lawrence is gone, so we go with Wilson, Darnold through no fault of his own will not be given a 5 year option and if that's the case then the Jets need to move on.

Other than QB, the next biggest need on the Jets is CB, then ILB/OLB in round 2. Round 3 TE there are enough good ones left to grab at this point, with the next pick we could go either CB again or RB depending on who's available.

Many of the D linemen should be gone, Shepard has been a major disappointment, Anderson likewise, McClendon was traded, so a need at DT could happen at 4.

In the 5th grab another WR , ILB, C, WR/KR. to finish out the draft

[Bobby816]

Get weapons for whoever is at QB continue to build the OL with an OG or an OT and keep Elflein. And we gotta get a legit weapon at WR as well as a better RB than Johnson and Perine

[Jag68Sid87]

2 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

Get weapons for whoever is at QB continue to build the OL with an OG or an OT and keep Elflein. And we gotta get a legit weapon at WR as well as a better RB than Johnson and Perine

Yeah, I agree. I think if we draft Sewell, keep Elflein and then add one more OG (my preference is Laurent Duvernay-Tardif of KC if he could be had via trade), our O line will be potentially dominant. That is a good starting point. Then, draft a RB with either the late first or the early second that we own. For WR, I think we should spend some money on a quality free agent, and also my preference is to sign a veteran QB to start. 

I think that would be interesting.