NCOUGHMAN Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: I'll stick to notable names (not just HoF players): New Orleans: Rickey Jackson was the only big name I saw Philadelphia: Reggie White, Eric Allen Denver: Greg Kragan, Steve Atwater, Karl Mecklinburg, Dennis Smith Buffalo: Bruce Smith, Jim Jeffcoat, Phil Hansen, John Holecek, Bryce Paup, Kurt Schulz, Ted Washington, Antoine Winfield, Pat Williams, Sam Cowart Atlanta: Keith Brooking, John Holecek, Mark Simoneau, Ray Buchanan, Pat Kearney, San Diego: Igor Olshanskey, Jamal Williams, Stephen Cooper, Donnie Edwards, Randall Godfrey, Ben Leber, Shaun Phillips, Quentin Jammer, Drayton Florence, Shawne Merriman Dallas: Jay Ratliff, Anthony Spencer, Akin Ayodele, Kevin Burnett, DeMarcus Ware, Terrance Newman, Roy Williams Houston: Johnathan Joseph, Antonio Smith, JJ Watt, Conor Barwin, Bryan Cushing, DeMeco Ryans, Glover Quinn, Kareem Jackson, Quentin Demps Denver: Von Miller, Antonio Smith, DeMarcus Ware, Chris Harris Jr, Danny Trevathan, Aqib Talib, TJ Ware, Darian Stewart, Shaq Barrett, Brandon Marshall LA Rams: Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, Mark Barron, Robert Quinn, Connor Barwin, Corey Littleton, Trumaine Johnson, Nickell Roby-Coleman, LaMarcus Joyner, Ndamukong Suh, Alec Ogletree, Eric Weddle, Clay Matthews. Some were prime, some were twilight, but virtually all of them were overall far better lineups than we have. No: pat swilling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: No: pat swilling? Swilling came out in 86. Wade was already in Philadelphia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 hours ago, big_palooka said: I'd love to see a list of player he had to work with for context. We know he had Donald in LA. He had Von and Ware in his time in Denver. Watt and Antonio Smith in Houston He can scheme with the best of them, but Wade has never had a lack of pure pass rushing talent. I'm researching now looked at the Saints so far he had 1 first round pick on the DL in his 5 seasons as DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, big_palooka said: Wade would be risking his reputation with this roster as it sits currently. He'd have little to work with. That's what you say now until he develop guy's the way they should have been and become house hold names. The raiders have been poor at developing their talent for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, raidr4life said: That's what you say now until he develop guy's the way they should have been and become house hold names. The raiders have been poor at developing their talent for a long time. Exactly Perfect example buck vs rod. Rod imo set the dline back this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, raidr4life said: That's what you say now until he develop guy's the way they should have been and become house hold names. The raiders have been poor at developing their talent for a long time. I would pray this scenario exists. Because you are correct, they've been awful at developing talent. But none of it really developed anyplace else, so did they evaluate talent properly to start with? Outside a couple role players (Harris, Autry, Joseph). What other former Raiders have elevated their careers after leaving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Exactly Perfect example buck vs rod. Rod imo set the dline back this year. What did Bucker do any differently? They were still bottom of the league in sacks and pressures. I think the expectations were higher for Rod because of his career success. But maybe the talent just isn't there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, big_palooka said: What did Bucker do any differently? They were still bottom of the league in sacks and pressures. I think the expectations were higher for Rod because of his career success. But maybe the talent just isn't there? Same exact talent got us over 30 sacks last season from what I can recall. Only new names are Collins and Nassib, they had 10 sacks combined last season. I'd rather have Buckner. I still want Wade Phillips either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 17 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: I'll stick to notable names (not just HoF players): New Orleans: Rickey Jackson was the only big name I saw Philadelphia: Reggie White, Eric Allen Denver: Greg Kragan, Steve Atwater, Karl Mecklinburg, Dennis Smith Buffalo: Bruce Smith, Jim Jeffcoat, Phil Hansen, John Holecek, Bryce Paup, Kurt Schulz, Ted Washington, Antoine Winfield, Pat Williams, Sam Cowart Atlanta: Keith Brooking, John Holecek, Mark Simoneau, Ray Buchanan, Pat Kearney, San Diego: Igor Olshanskey, Jamal Williams, Stephen Cooper, Donnie Edwards, Randall Godfrey, Ben Leber, Shaun Phillips, Quentin Jammer, Drayton Florence, Shawne Merriman Dallas: Jay Ratliff, Anthony Spencer, Akin Ayodele, Kevin Burnett, DeMarcus Ware, Terrance Newman, Roy Williams Houston: Johnathan Joseph, Antonio Smith, JJ Watt, Conor Barwin, Bryan Cushing, DeMeco Ryans, Glover Quinn, Kareem Jackson, Quentin Demps Denver: Von Miller, Antonio Smith, DeMarcus Ware, Chris Harris Jr, Danny Trevathan, Aqib Talib, TJ Ware, Darian Stewart, Shaq Barrett, Brandon Marshall LA Rams: Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, Mark Barron, Robert Quinn, Connor Barwin, Corey Littleton, Trumaine Johnson, Nickell Roby-Coleman, LaMarcus Joyner, Ndamukong Suh, Alec Ogletree, Eric Weddle, Clay Matthews. Some were prime, some were twilight, but virtually all of them were overall far better lineups than we have. So what I'm reading here is that we need to cut ties with some underperforming players and invest it all in the defense with some big name signings and trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 40 minutes ago, Jerry said: Same exact talent got us over 30 sacks last season from what I can recall. Only new names are Collins and Nassib, they had 10 sacks combined last season. I'd rather have Buckner. I still want Wade Phillips either way. 2019, Benson Mayowa had 7 sacks. Second on the team to Crosby's 10. You'd rather have Bucker due to recency bias. If you gave Rod talent to work with, he'll produce. Has his entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: 2019, Benson Mayowa had 7 sacks. Second on the team to Crosby's 10. You'd rather have Bucker due to recency bias. If you gave Rod talent to work with, he'll produce. Has his entire career. People also forget that like 60% of Crosby's production came in 2 games and we struggled most of the year (outside of a few games) to rush the passer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Jerry said: Same exact talent got us over 30 sacks last season from what I can recall. Only new names are Collins and Nassib, they had 10 sacks combined last season. I'd rather have Buckner. I still want Wade Phillips either way. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, big_palooka said: 2019, Benson Mayowa had 7 sacks. Second on the team to Crosby's 10. You'd rather have Bucker due to recency bias. If you gave Rod talent to work with, he'll produce. Has his entire career. And we booted mayowa and overpaid Nassib booted buck for rod booted booted pj for Collins and we have 15 sacks total with 3 games left. Rod couldn’t even get His homie Collins he pounded the table for to produce. Yea we were better with buck. We can’t even dominate vs weak teams now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, big_palooka said: 2019, Benson Mayowa had 7 sacks. Second on the team to Crosby's 10. You'd rather have Bucker due to recency bias. If you gave Rod talent to work with, he'll produce. Has his entire career. Benson has 4 sacks this season, on par to have maybe 5ish? Buckner got some really good production out of him. Crosby looked so much better last year too. I don't even know what happened to Crosby. He was so much better at blowing up the quick screens and just playing with his ears pinned back. The DL looks consistently out of place and is terrible at setting edges. It's all a crap show. Bring me Wade Philips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: 2019, Benson Mayowa had 7 sacks. Second on the team to Crosby's 10. You'd rather have Bucker due to recency bias. If you gave Rod talent to work with, he'll produce. Has his entire career. https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1339630458556968960?s=20 Rod coaching the DL to get worked? Edited December 17, 2020 by Jerry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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