agarcia34 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) With the way some of these teams are in such a bad place cap wise we could see a lot of good vets enter FA after being cut or players who wouldn’t normally become available become available in FA just due to the team cap situation. Like Marcus Williams only reason he will hit FA is because the Saints cap and he is known for that play in Minny a couple years ago but he’s done a good job bouncing back from that and becoming one of the better FS in the league. Sheldon Rankins is another one from the Saints. Young and continues to improve every year. Think those are two names that have to be at the top of the list. Also a guy like F.Cox will most likely become available when he get released with a post June 1st cut which will save them a lot in cap space. Edited January 13, 2021 by agarcia34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 17 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Ingram- 10 m Williams - 15m King- 5m Perryman- 4-5m Robinson- 20m ——————— 55m Yeah we would need to make a lot of cuts and maybe even some restructures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: With the way some of these teams are in such a bad place cap wise we could see a lot of good vets enter FA after being cut or players who wouldn’t normally become available become available in FA just due to the team cap situation. Like Marcus Williams only reason he will hit FA is because the Saints cap and he is known for that play in Minny a couple years ago but he’s done a good job bouncing back from that and becoming one of the better FS in the league. Sheldon Rankins is another one from the Saints. Young and continues to improve every year. Think those are two names that have to be at the top of the list. Also a guy like F.Cox will most likely become available when he get released with a post June 1st cut which will save them a lot in cap space. I’ve said this before too. I’m curious to see how the guys like Marcus Williams do in FA. Not to mention the cap shrunk down to 175m (most likely). They’re could be some good starters who can only get 1-2yr deals at a small discount. i think we should target a few players at a few positions of absolute need and then keep some money to spend when these players get cut. We could do really well on some Nelson Agholor type signings. We always seem to be overly anxious in FA and not take our time and find values. Im still mad that we called Trent Brown up at 12:01 and offered him “a deal he couldn’t refuse”.... that’s a quote from Mayock. What happened to negotiations? We didn’t even try to save money! What we did was absolutely insane. It was bad enough we overpaid him so much it’s worse to know we didn’t even try to see what the market would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 17 hours ago, NYRaider said: Instincts are such an underrated factor in how good a player is, especially at a position like safety. @jimkelly02 criticized me for saying Thomas had good but not great physical tools (5'10' 205, 4.43) but what made him great were his instincts and feel for the game. Abram's tools are almost identical to Thomas (5'11' 205, 4.45) but he is absolutely terrible in coverage because he just lacks the instincts and feel for the game to make plays. I criticized your comment because you said something incorrect. ET has always had very very good physical skills. And were correct in the other part.... so idk why you have to strengthen your argument with false information. You had a decent argument on true facts, there’s no try and bolster it by exaggerating/distorting the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, jimkelly02 said: I criticized your comment because you said something incorrect. ET has always had very very good physical skills. And were correct in the other part.... so idk why you have to strengthen your argument with false information. You had a decent argument on true facts, there’s no try and bolster it by exaggerating/distorting the truth. He does have good physical skills but he wasn't elite from a H/W/S standpoint. He was pretty small for a safety and had good but not elite speed. From a H/W/S standpoint Abram is almost identical to Thomas, what set Thomas apart was his football IQ and feel for the game. Two things that Abram lacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 58 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: With the way some of these teams are in such a bad place cap wise we could see a lot of good vets enter FA after being cut or players who wouldn’t normally become available become available in FA just due to the team cap situation. I think you'll see guys sign short term deals (1-2 years) so they can see what's going to happen with the cap and set themselves up to get huge deals if/when things return to normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Why is the cap going down? that just seems so crazy. I wouldve thought, TV contracts would be worth more with no one going to games . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 There has been speculating that with the adding a game next year that it could help with the cap not going down. If it does go down I do agree with both of you that we could see some 1 year or 2 year deals that we wouldn’t normally see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Why is the cap going down? that just seems so crazy. I wouldve thought, TV contracts would be worth more with no one going to games . IIRC cap is tied to total revenue from the previous season. So no fans at games meant no ticket sales, way less merchandise sales, no concession sales, etc. It's reported that the league lost out around $5.5B in revenue because of no fans at games this year when projected revenue for the league pre covid was $16.5B. That means they lost out on almost 1/3 what they could've made in a normal year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: IIRC cap is tied to total revenue from the previous season. So no fans at games meant no ticket sales, way less merchandise sales, no concession sales, etc. It's reported that the league lost out around $5.5B in revenue because of no fans at games this year when projected revenue for the league pre covid was $16.5B. That means they lost out on almost 1/3 what they could've made in a normal year. ahh so crazy. and then I guess TV contracts were already signed precovid so they couldnt jack up the rates to cover the costs. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: He does have good physical skills but he wasn't elite from a H/W/S standpoint. He was pretty small for a safety and had good but not elite speed. From a H/W/S standpoint Abram is almost identical to Thomas, what set Thomas apart was his football IQ and feel for the game. Two things that Abram lacks. So ET’s elite range has nothing to do with his speed and agility? Your kidding me right? Thomas’s ran 4.37 at his pro day! How is that not elite speed for a Safety? Thomas was known as the elite range FS for years in the league. Of course ET had great instincts and that was a really big part of his success, but he also was a very physically gifted player. two things can be true at the same Time. another example of you having an opinion and finding beliefs and information to validate it or strengthening it with twisting of facts/truth. And I’m sorry your feelings were hurt by My “criticism”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: So ET’s elite range has nothing to do with his speed and agility? Your kidding me right? Thomas’s ran 4.37 at his pro day! How is that not elite speed for a Safety? Thomas was known as the elite range FS for years in the league. Of course ET had great instincts and that was a really big part of his success, but he also was a very physically gifted player. two things can be true at the same Time. another example of you having an opinion and finding beliefs and information to validate it or strengthening it with twisting of facts/truth. And I’m sorry your feelings were hurt by My “criticism”. He had good physical tools but not elite, he ran a 4.45 at the combine. That's good but not elite. Thomas and Abram are legit identical from a H/W/S perspective. Abram has really good physical tools, so did Thomas, what set them apart is Thomas instincts and feel for the game. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/348050-2010-nfl-draft-scouting-report-earl-thomas Quote His size isn't the best, but his physical athleticism will garner plenty of attention at the combine next week and Texas' pro day later in the spring. Either way, Thomas' ball skills are a commodity in a league suffering from weaknesses at corner. Look for a team like the New York Giants to utilize a late first-round pick to bolster their defensive backfield. Thomas' straight line speed isn't the greatest, but he uses a mean burst of speed to close in on the defender in open field. Unlike his corner counterparts in April, the former Texas defender excels in zone coverage but struggles at times at man coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: There has been speculating that with the adding a game next year that it could help with the cap not going down. If it does go down I do agree with both of you that we could see some 1 year or 2 year deals that we wouldn’t normally see I’m curious to see if teams like NO and Philly, who are in such cap heck, bite the bullet for one year and fix their books or if they attempt to stretch the pain over the next few years. Teams might do what Az did with Devondre Campbell’s deal: sign a 5 year deal that voids after 1 year with a SB that spreads over 5 years. They paid him 6.0m but it only costed then 2m in ‘20 and 4m in dead cap in ‘21. https://overthecap.com/player/devondre-campbell/4828/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: ahh so crazy. and then I guess TV contracts were already signed precovid so they couldnt jack up the rates to cover the costs. Thanks! Yes, TV contracts cover years of broadcasting rights so there was no renegotiating that because fans can't go to games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: I’m curious to see if teams like NO and Philly, who are in such cap heck, bite the bullet for one year and fix their books or if they attempt to stretch the pain over the next few years. Teams might do what Az did with Devondre Campbell’s deal: sign a 5 year deal that voids after 1 year with a SB that spreads over 5 years. They paid him 6.0m but it only costed then 2m in ‘20 and 4m in dead cap in ‘21. https://overthecap.com/player/devondre-campbell/4828/ I wonder if the NFL will step in and adjust the cap to help teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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