2021 Free Agency

[NYRaider]

8 hours ago, Darbsk said:

Really interesting discussion on Parker and Orlando Brown, I think you both make very valid points. 

From my perspective I thought Brown was a tremendous prospect but had big red flags due to his terrible combine - it wasn't just poor, it was horrible. As mentioned, with big guys who are already normally very overweight to begin with that is a legitimate reason for him to drop as it is effectively the most important interview of his life and he clearly hadn't prepared well so can understand why that dropped his value. That being said, clearly the tape was great and I put a decent amount of stock in the bloodlines too and thought he'd be great. 3rd round was probably the right value considering the reasonable concerns and at that time, in the 3rd I would have personally taken Brown over Parker but equally I can't be too critical of teams that passed on him as there were genuine reasons for concern. Also, Cable can make recommendations I'm sure but he's not actually making the picks, that's Gruden and Mayock and they gave the ultimate decision.

IIRC there were reports that Cable was pounding the table for us to trade up to go get Parker. There were reasons for concern but we've regularly reached on guys who had good tape but average to below average physical tools from big programs in the 1st round. But decided to do the opposite and go for the project guy over Brown and it was a huge mistake. Then we paid Trent Brown who was a 7th round pick because he had the same concerns as Orlando and he was a complete flop. 

[drfrey13]

8 hours ago, Darbsk said:

Really interesting discussion on Parker and Orlando Brown, I think you both make very valid points. 

From my perspective I thought Brown was a tremendous prospect but had big red flags due to his terrible combine - it wasn't just poor, it was horrible. As mentioned, with big guys who are already normally very overweight to begin with that is a legitimate reason for him to drop as it is effectively the most important interview of his life and he clearly hadn't prepared well so can understand why that dropped his value. That being said, clearly the tape was great and I put a decent amount of stock in the bloodlines too and thought he'd be great. 3rd round was probably the right value considering the reasonable concerns and at that time, in the 3rd I would have personally taken Brown over Parker but equally I can't be too critical of teams that passed on him as there were genuine reasons for concern. Also, Cable can make recommendations I'm sure but he's not actually making the picks, that's Gruden and Mayock and they gave the ultimate decision.

Nobody is faulting Cable for not trying to draft Brown in the 1st.  We are faulting him for choosing Parker over him in the 3rd.  If we had not drafted Miller in the first I could understand the Parker over Brown a little more but not for a RT.  What Gruden says goes for this team and Cable is Gruden's personal bootlicker so Gruden listens to him.  Guenther never had that benefit because the defense was not Gruden's baby and Mayock probably gets the last say when Gruden says he can go defense.  Not making an excuse for Guenther.  Watch some Rider games and the person you see following Gruden around the most is Cable.  I wish our DBs could cover as well as Cable covers Gruden.

[NYRaider]

35 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Nobody is faulting Cable for not trying to draft Brown in the 1st.  We are faulting him for choosing Parker over him in the 3rd.  If we had not drafted Miller in the first I could understand the Parker over Brown a little more but not for a RT.  What Gruden says goes for this team and Cable is Gruden's personal bootlicker so Gruden listens to him.  Guenther never had that benefit because the defense was not Gruden's baby and Mayock probably gets the last say when Gruden says he can go defense.  Not making an excuse for Guenther.  Watch some Rider games and the person you see following Gruden around the most is Cable.  I wish our DBs could cover as well as Cable covers Gruden.

And everyone gives Cable so much credit but haven't we had the highest paid OL in the league the past couple of years? He inherited a group that already had Osemele - Hudson - Jackson and then we spent a 1st on Miller, paid Trent Brown huge money, and signed Richie Incognito. 

Miller has developed into a very good LT but throughout Cable's career is there any other player he has really developed? Now we'll have a starting OL full of guys we acquired to fit his scheme so we'll see how that works but he pretty much left the Seahawks OL in shambles. 

[drfrey13]

46 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

And everyone gives Cable so much credit but haven't we had the highest paid OL in the league the past couple of years? He inherited a group that already had Osemele - Hudson - Jackson and then we spent a 1st on Miller, paid Trent Brown huge money, and signed Richie Incognito. 

Miller has developed into a very good LT but throughout Cable's career is there any other player he has really developed? Now we'll have a starting OL full of guys we acquired to fit his scheme so we'll see how that works but he pretty much left the Seahawks OL in shambles. 

Oakland Raiders C Rodney Hudson, DE Khalil Mack, G/T Kelechi Osemele and T Donald Penn have been named to the 2018 Pro Bowl, the NFL announced Tuesday.

LB NaVorro Bowman, QB Derek Carr, G Gabe Jackson, P Marquette King, RB Marshawn Lynch and WR Cordarrelle Patterson (return specialist) were named as alternates for the annual all-star game, scheduled to be played at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Fla., on Jan. 28, 2018.

All 4 where in the same positions the year before also.  So we bring in a ZBS coach for the best PBS line in the league, move the LT to RT where he has never played, get him injured, draft a 1st round rookie LT and leave him in after he gets injured, draft a 3rd round LT that has never played RT to backup your RT with no experience, tell your Pro Bowl G to lose 30 lbs, and then wonder what went wrong.  This is just the transition because I believe I already addressed 2019 and 2020.  And we are still defending this POS who sucks at his job.  

[NYRaider]

11 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

This is just the transition because I believe I already addressed 2019 and 2020.  And we are still defending this POS who sucks at his job.  

Well we'll get to see how great of a coach he is, especially if Richie can't stay healthy, because we'll have 5 starters that Cable brought in. 

[drfrey13]

19 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Well we'll get to see how great of a coach he is, especially if Richie can't stay healthy, because we'll have 5 starters that Cable brought in. 

If they do well I will be the first in line to admit it also.

[Geezy]

On 6/19/2021 at 9:02 PM, drfrey13 said:

I do not.  Good was already playing well in Indy.  He just had a prick coach that wanted him gone.  He had already logged 1293 snaps and started 20 games with the Colts.  He has continued to improve but I am not giving Cable the credit.  I would if we got him straight out of college.  What good O-linemen has Cable either turned their career around after their play sucked somewhere else or was not considered a good prospect coming out.  Andre James might end up being his first but he has proved almost nothing so far.  Like I have said many times before, Cable has hurt players careers or reached in the draft more than his teams have benefitted from him being there.

Everyone and their mom considered Miller a bust, he’s turned out well. We’ll see what he does with James, Simpson and Leatherwood. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Geezy

[drfrey13]

8 hours ago, Geezy said:

Everyone and their mom considered Miller a bust, he’s turned out well. We’ll see what he does with James, Simpson and Leatherwood. 

Everybody did until they realized they trotting him out there with an injury every week.  Most people agreed he looked good until the injury.  2018 was a year filled with bad coaching decisions.

[Geezy]

3 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

Everybody did until they realized they trotting him out there with an injury every week.  Most people agreed he looked good until the injury.  2018 was a year filled with bad coaching decisions.

A lot of people called it a reach as well, I know you don’t want to give the man any credit but he’s helped turn Miller into a high level LT. 

[G]

4 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

 2018 was a year filled with bad coaching decisions.

Yes we hired one named Gruden. LOL 

 

[Darbsk]

21 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

Nobody is faulting Cable for not trying to draft Brown in the 1st.  We are faulting him for choosing Parker over him in the 3rd.  If we had not drafted Miller in the first I could understand the Parker over Brown a little more but not for a RT.  What Gruden says goes for this team and Cable is Gruden's personal bootlicker so Gruden listens to him.  Guenther never had that benefit because the defense was not Gruden's baby and Mayock probably gets the last say when Gruden says he can go defense.  Not making an excuse for Guenther.  Watch some Rider games and the person you see following Gruden around the most is Cable.  I wish our DBs could cover as well as Cable covers Gruden.

Haha, yes. I dont really disagree and as I said, I liked Brown having watched his pops play so would have taken him over Parker too. I do believe Cable has some influence but ultimately it is Gruden and Mayock that should be getting criticism IMO.

[G]

3 hours ago, Darbsk said:

Haha, yes. I dont really disagree and as I said, I liked Brown having watched his pops play so would have taken him over Parker too. I do believe Cable has some influence but ultimately it is Gruden and Mayock that should be getting criticism IMO.

I thought that was Reggie not Mayock back then. Mayock makes enough mistakes he doesn't need the extra ones. 

[Darbsk]

14 minutes ago, G said:

I thought that was Reggie not Mayock back then. Mayock makes enough mistakes he doesn't need the extra ones. 

Ah, yeh it was you are right with regard to Parker and Brown 😀. Gruden has the ultimate responsibility in that case then and Gruden and Mayock now.

[drfrey13]

5 hours ago, Geezy said:

A lot of people called it a reach as well, I know you don’t want to give the man any credit but he’s helped turn Miller into a high level LT. 

I thought he was a reach because there were better players available to us.  I thought Miller should have gone in the 20's but I have given Cable credit for Miller.  I have repeatedly said that Miller is a success story.

[drfrey13]

4 hours ago, G said:

Yes we hired one named Gruden. LOL 

 

I agree to a certain point.  Gruden is capable of being a good coach but his ego gets in his way.  Someone like that you do not give that much control.  I think if Gruden had a GM he could not boss around and a good play caller on staff we would be in a much better place.  I like Mayock but I think he is the #2 on the food chain.