as of now who is your pick at 19

[ripsean21]

5 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said:

Hate having to go there for a player. But VTs Caleb Farley is likely topping my board at 19.

If hes gone. Kyle Pitts or Owusu-Koramoah.

He’s the most talented CB for sure. Don’t like that he isn’t playing it sucks missing these guys seeing them grow as players and that’s why every player that sat could fall. But if Pitts and Farley are there you take Pitts he’s the best player. Elite route running and he’s huge. This guy runs routes like he’s 5-11. Pitts is a blue chip talent honestly I think it’s crazy he doesn’t go in the top 8. The fact that Hockenson was a top 10 if this guy starts falling I’d be open to going and getting him because he’s that good.

[turtle28]

22 minutes ago, ripsean21 said:

He’s the most talented CB for sure. Don’t like that he isn’t playing it sucks missing these guys seeing them grow as players and that’s why every player that sat could fall. But if Pitts and Farley are there you take Pitts he’s the best player. Elite route running and he’s huge. This guy runs routes like he’s 5-11. Pitts is a blue chip talent honestly I think it’s crazy he doesn’t go in the top 8. The fact that Hockenson was a top 10 if this guy starts falling I’d be open to going and getting him because he’s that good.

I just saw an issue I have with Pitts, his attempt to block a blitzer there on the last play of the half for Florida was such a weak block attempt. Pitts is going to be a force in the passing game no doubt hit he needs to improve his blocking so he isn’t a liability in run blocking or pass pro.

Edited December 20, 2020 by turtle28

[ripsean21]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

I just saw an issue I have with Pitts, his attempt to block a blitzer there on the last play of the half for Florida was such a weak block attempt. Pitts is going to be a force in the passing game no doubt hit he needs to improve his blocking so he isn’t a liability in run blocking or pass pro.

He’s been better this year but i mean he’s not gonna block chase or Tez. But I mean he can hold his own set his feet and hold ground.

[turtle28]

3 minutes ago, ripsean21 said:

He’s been better this year but i mean he’s not gonna block chase or Tez. But I mean he can hold his own set his feet and hold ground.

I think the blitzer on the Hail Mary play he was responsible for was either a WLB or SS. It should’ve been an easy block, it was a weak attempt and poor form.

Edited December 20, 2020 by turtle28

[PARROTHEAD]

39 minutes ago, ripsean21 said:

He’s the most talented CB for sure. Don’t like that he isn’t playing it sucks missing these guys seeing them grow as players and that’s why every player that sat could fall. But if Pitts and Farley are there you take Pitts he’s the best player. Elite route running and he’s huge. This guy runs routes like he’s 5-11. Pitts is a blue chip talent honestly I think it’s crazy he doesn’t go in the top 8. The fact that Hockenson was a top 10 if this guy starts falling I’d be open to going and getting him because he’s that good.

I like he didnt play. Because he could be there as an option for us. If he played he could easily be a top 10 pick. Even top 5 because of his size. If we win the division and still land a top player such as he could likely become. Then the division was well worth winning and we picked up a bonus for it.

[naptownskinsfan]

If Pitts is somehow left at 19, you take him.  

I'd rather trade back into the late first for Trask if he is still on the board if it comes to that.  

[turtle28]

14 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said:

If Pitts is somehow left at 19, you take him.  

I'd rather trade back into the late first for Trask if he is still on the board if it comes to that.  

[e16bball]

Just what will probably be another of my epetitive weekly messages until the draft, this time about QBs nobody really wants. 

In the past 15 drafts, all the QBs drafted in the latter half of the 1st round have combined for a total of 2 Pro Bowl appearances. Lamar Jackson got one last year, of course, and Teddy Bridgewater somehow got a charitable Pro Bowl selection in his second season. It’s actually hard to find a way to explain how he was chosen — he was 22nd in the league in yards, 26th in TDs, and 22nd in passer rating. 

But E, I can hear you saying, that’s a slim window. It’s too narrow a swath. Okay, I’m a generous fellow. I’ll give you the whole 2nd round too. And that does make a significant difference: six additional Pro Bowl selections. Three from Andy Dalton and three from Derek Carr. I assume those must have been “alternate” selections, because neither of those guys has really ever been considered that close to even a top 10 QB. 

It’s hard to find a worse comp for Kyle Trask or Mac Jones than Lamar Jackson. The reason he fell will be totally different than the reason they’ll fall. Just totally different situations. Which leaves us with the reasonable  top-end outcomes for these guys being Carr and Dalton. If we’re lucky, and the guy becomes one of the absolute best QB picks from 17-64 in the last decade and a half, we’ve got a real shot to land our very own Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. Is that really what we’re shooting for here?

Edited December 20, 2020 by e16bball

[lavar703]

16 minutes ago, e16bball said:

Just what will probably be another of my epetitive weekly messages until the draft, this time about QBs nobody really wants. 

In the past 15 drafts, all the QBs drafted in the latter half of the 1st round have combined for a total of 2 Pro Bowl appearances. Lamar Jackson got one last year, of course, and Teddy Bridgewater somehow got a charitable Pro Bowl selection in his second season. It’s actually hard to find a way to explain how he was chosen — he was 22nd in the league in yards, 26th in TDs, and 22nd in passer rating. 

But E, I can hear you saying, that’s a slim window. It’s too narrow a swath. Okay, I’m a generous fellow. I’ll give you the whole 2nd round too. And that does make a significant difference: six additional Pro Bowl selections. Three from Andy Dalton and three from Derek Carr. I assume those must have been “alternate” selections, because neither of those guys has really ever been considered that close to even a top 10 QB. 

It’s hard to find a worse comp for Kyle Trask or Mac Jones than Lamar Jackson. The reason he fell will be totally different than the reason they’ll fall. Just totally different situations. Which leaves us with the reasonable  top-end outcomes for these guys being Carr and Dalton. If we’re lucky, and the guy becomes one of the absolute best QB picks from 17-64 in the last decade and a half, we’ve got a real shot to land our very own Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. Is that really what we’re shooting for here?

While this might seem crazy and just outright overkill what do you do if Rousseau is there when we pick? At that point in the draft can you realistically pass on him? Might seem dumb considering the resources poured into the DL already but man would it be nice to throw him in that rotation. We might lose Kerrigan and Anderson so who knows lol

[turtle28]

25 minutes ago, e16bball said:

Just what will probably be another of my epetitive weekly messages until the draft, this time about QBs nobody really wants. 

In the past 15 drafts, all the QBs drafted in the latter half of the 1st round have combined for a total of 2 Pro Bowl appearances. Lamar Jackson got one last year, of course, and Teddy Bridgewater somehow got a charitable Pro Bowl selection in his second season. It’s actually hard to find a way to explain how he was chosen — he was 22nd in the league in yards, 26th in TDs, and 22nd in passer rating. 

But E, I can hear you saying, that’s a slim window. It’s too narrow a swath. Okay, I’m a generous fellow. I’ll give you the whole 2nd round too. And that does make a significant difference: six additional Pro Bowl selections. Three from Andy Dalton and three from Derek Carr. I assume those must have been “alternate” selections, because neither of those guys has really ever been considered that close to even a top 10 QB. 

It’s hard to find a worse comp for Kyle Trask or Mac Jones than Lamar Jackson. The reason he fell will be totally different than the reason they’ll fall. Just totally different situations. Which leaves us with the reasonable  top-end outcomes for these guys being Carr and Dalton. If we’re lucky, and the guy becomes one of the absolute best QB picks from 17-64 in the last decade and a half, we’ve got a real shot to land our very own Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. Is that really what we’re shooting for here?

Anyone can choose whatever metric they want to make a point they want to make. Foles & Wilson won Super Bowls as 3rd round picks, Kirk Cousins in the same 2012 draft was a 4th round pick and was one of the most consistent/best QBs in Washington history and along w/ the WRs & Reed carried an inconsistent running game and an awful defense to the playoffs in 2015 & two straight winning seasons then, he went to Minnesota and won a playoff game on the road against a Hall of Fame QB in one of the hardest places to play in the NFL. 

See what I did there? And I would say that Kyle Trask compares to a Nick Foles type QB and Mac Jones compares to  a Cousins/ Dalton type QB.

Edited December 20, 2020 by turtle28

[turtle28]

8 hours ago, lavar703 said:

While this might seem crazy and just outright overkill what do you do if Rousseau is there when we pick? At that point in the draft can you realistically pass on him? Might seem dumb considering the resources poured into the DL already but man would it be nice to throw him in that rotation. We might lose Kerrigan and Anderson so who knows lol

Trade down to someone who wants him/needs him bad, play up that you have multiple offers and hopefully get more than what the pick is worth back in return, like an extra pick thrown in.

I do think that we'll lose Kerrigan. I don't think he necessarily wants to leave Washington, but I think he either wants one of two things - or both if he can get them - play for a real contender and to have more playing time. He's not going to get that in DC. I still see him going to the Ravens and being a pass rush specialist for them and maybe even starting at LOLB. I think the Ravens re-sign Ngakuge to play ROLB and they let Matthew Judon walk in FA. They have some other depth there like Jaylon Ferguson and Tyus Bowser, they don't need to spend on retaining Judon. I could also see Kerrigan going to the Chiefs to play LDE, the Titans or Vikings. He's from Indiana, so he may want to go back to the midwest to retire after he plays a year or two with the Vikings to end his career. 

We could re-sign Ryan Anderson for cheap, I mean it's not like he's really flashed except for a few games last year after Kerrigan got hurt and Rivera drafted James Smith Williams who he likes as a strong side DE behind Chase who they also see potential in as a nickel pass rusher from the DT position.

Edited December 20, 2020 by turtle28

[ripsean21]

5 hours ago, lavar703 said:

While this might seem crazy and just outright overkill what do you do if Rousseau is there when we pick? At that point in the draft can you realistically pass on him? Might seem dumb considering the resources poured into the DL already but man would it be nice to throw him in that rotation. We might lose Kerrigan and Anderson so who knows lol

You draft him and trade anyone but Payne Chase and Sweat to recoup assets and continue to address other spots.

[lavar703]

9 hours ago, turtle28 said:

Trade down to someone who wants him/needs him bad, play up that you have multiple offers and hopefully get more than what the pick is worth back in return, like an extra pick thrown in.

I do think that we'll lose Kerrigan. I don't think he necessarily wants to leave Washington, but I think he either wants one of two things - or both if he can get them - play for a real contender and to have more playing time. He's not going to get that in DC. I still see him going to the Ravens and being a pass rush specialist for them and maybe even starting at LOLB. I think the Ravens re-sign Ngakuge to play ROLB and they let Matthew Judon walk in FA. They have some other depth there like Jaylon Ferguson and Tyus Bowser, they don't need to spend on retaining Judon. I could also see Kerrigan going to the Chiefs to play LDE, the Titans or Vikings. He's from Indiana, so he may want to go back to the midwest to retire after he plays a year or two with the Vikings to end his career. 

We could re-sign Ryan Anderson for cheap, I mean it's not like he's really flashed except for a few games last year after Kerrigan got hurt and Rivera drafted James Smith Williams who he likes as a strong side DE behind Chase who they also see potential in as a nickel pass rusher from the DT position.

See me, I would just take him. I really don’t think Kerrigan is coming back to play 15-20% of the snaps and Ryan Anderson seems like a goner. We do have Smith-Williams but he’s been kicked inside to tackle so I guess that would leave us with Toohill. I really don’t think he’ll be there so it probably doesn’t matter but I thought it was an interesting topic. 

[turtle28]

13 hours ago, ripsean21 said:

You draft him and trade anyone but Payne Chase and Sweat to recoup assets and continue to address other spots.

Why would you trade Allen? He’s been a monster this year. He was unblockable vs the 49ers and he’s a great leader.

[turtle28]

8 hours ago, lavar703 said:

See me, I would just take him. I really don’t think Kerrigan is coming back to play 15-20% of the snaps and Ryan Anderson seems like a goner. We do have Smith-Williams but he’s been kicked inside to tackle so I guess that would leave us with Toohill. I really don’t think he’ll be there so it probably doesn’t matter but I thought it was an interesting topic. 

I would much rather have a different position. If we draft another DL in round 1 or 2 I’m going to have a lot of *** in my post after that selection. I love our DL, but can we get a first round QB, FS, LT, LB, TE or WR? 
 

We can’t just field all DL. I would view it as a wasted pick. If we feel we need to, we can sign a FA DE and we can always take a DE in the mid rounds.