WindyCity Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Epyon said: imo draft and throw the kid into the deep end....Just have to cater the offense down, and build the kid up as the season(s) go along. Even Manning sucked his first year. "Bridge QB" to me just says "expensive FA loser". We can lose just fine with a Rook, and actually get him game experience in the meantime, while using the $$ not spent on said Bridge QB fixing other issues. I am not super interested in tossing the 5th or 6th rated QB in the draft out there in a mediocre offense. Maybe a top guy, but we aren’t in that market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I'm with @Epyon here. By a ton of people's eyes Mahomes was the 5th or 6th guy and would likely rank even lower in this draft for his "issues." Draft position by scouts and armchair GMs like us mean nothing. Put them in the deep end and let them sink or swim. It doesn't take 5 years to know you've got a franchise QB usually. If you're a head coach and can't see you have a massive talent at that position within a year or so then you deserve to be fired. If you draft a QB to me you're not still tied to him for any length of time either. That marriage starts at the second contract. If the kid sucks than you can use the better pick (assuming the defense doesn't prop up the record like it has these last 2 years) and go after another. Let them battle it out and now you don't need scraps from other teams' rosters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 No. Can we close this fetid, loathsome, topic now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Agreed. Get rid of him. Starting a rookie is preferable to this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It'll be Foles next year with Kyle Trask or Mac Jones sitting for a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, G08 said: It'll be Foles next year with Kyle Trask or Mac Jones sitting for a season. This seems most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, G08 said: It'll be Foles next year with Kyle Trask or Mac Jones sitting for a season. This is the only option I see, except Jones/Trask/whoever is going to start halfway through the season because Foles gets injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 If I have to watch Nick Foles start another game for this team I'm gonna seriously consider jumping ship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Pool said: If I have to watch Nick Foles start another game for this team I'm gonna seriously consider jumping ship. Just look at the other options out there, it is very bleak at the QB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 12/25/2020 at 12:25 AM, Sugashane said: I'm with @Epyon here. By a ton of people's eyes Mahomes was the 5th or 6th guy and would likely rank even lower in this draft for his "issues." Draft position by scouts and armchair GMs like us mean nothing. Put them in the deep end and let them sink or swim. It doesn't take 5 years to know you've got a franchise QB usually. If you're a head coach and can't see you have a massive talent at that position within a year or so then you deserve to be fired. If you draft a QB to me you're not still tied to him for any length of time either. That marriage starts at the second contract. If the kid sucks than you can use the better pick (assuming the defense doesn't prop up the record like it has these last 2 years) and go after another. Let them battle it out and now you don't need scraps from other teams' rosters. Nearly everyone hated Josh Allen. He was practically declared a bust before he even took a snap. Justin Herbert was viewed as raw and likely to bust. Drafting a good QB involves a certain amount of luck. And since that's outside of the organization's control, the best thing to do is to draft QBs often and give them early opportunities to play. The Bears' problems at the QB position aren't unique or rare. It's just that the Bears don't draft many QBs and don't move on from the wrong guy soon enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 hours ago, blkwdw13 said: Just look at the other options out there, it is very bleak at the QB position. If they weren't in cap hell I'd fully expect a desperate Pace to try to acquire Wentz or Prescott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: If they weren't in cap hell I'd fully expect a desperate Pace to try to acquire Wentz or Prescott Oof. Thankfully Wentz has way too much money to lose to pull a Foles and restructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 No QB and limited resources to acquire one... Thanks Ryan Pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 14 hours ago, blkwdw13 said: This is the only option I see, except Jones/Trask/whoever is going to start halfway through the season because Foles gets injured. Remember waiting for Trubisky to start in 2017? I think it's going to be a lot like that. If I recall I was betting on 6 games in, he got what, 4? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I think generally ownership wants to keep Pace and Nagy in place. They've had *some* success in the NFL and, truthfully, firing/replacing either one is going to cost $$$ that they lost due to the pandemic. Does Phillips "retire", Pace take his role and someone like John Dorsey get hired as GM? I don't know, maybe. I doubt it, but maybe. You don't let someone overhaul Halas Hall and fire him a season or two later; there is some clout/respect there in my opinion. Pagano has to go, but what quality defensive coordinator is going to come here knowing Nagy is a lame duck? (funny how this is an inverse of the Lovie Smith years -- what a stupid ******* franchise)... perhaps you can elevate Jay Rodgers and replace him with a young, driven kid at DL coach or an older, experienced retread. I don't think I bring Robinson back; he's a hard worker, great teammate, but he's just not an elite #1 to me. He left way too many plays on the field with having TDs ripped out of his hands, resulting in INTs. He's kicked balls into the air that wound up being intercepted. He's had timely drops or not effectively securing the ball in the endzone on a throw that 85% of the league would have caught and gotten two feet in for a TD. We need someone with size and speed. If dude wants to return for $15-$16M per year I'd kick the tires. I think he wants $18M plus. Trubisky is what he is at this point. Former NFL coaches have said you can win with him, I'm inclined to agree, but if you go that route you have to take a hard look at what Kyle Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, Sean McVay, Kevin Stefanski etc are running. They have had success in the league marrying the run and pass game and making things easier for the QB. We don't need to be running this Harvard level **** that Nagy is hell bent on shoving down our throat. That scheme, truthfully, is only working in Kansas City right now with an elite QB and a Hall of Fame head coach. We have neither, here. Pick a ******* direction and go, enough of this hodge podge bull****. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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