xrade Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, GangGreen420 said: Sure they might draft another QB at some point but it won’t be at 2 or one they have any intention of starting in 2021. This I agree with and makes the most sense in my head. Lawrence is the only day one starter. All others should sit even if it is only a part of the season. I will trust JD as to when he selects a QB but he will pick one. Not the biggest fan of selecting at 2, but we will most likely miss out on both if we drop beyond Carolina at 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Daboll and Wilson please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_E_T_$ Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 2:30 PM, Dr.O said: This is a horrible take every player has risks, with that mentality we’ll be waiting 15 years for the next Lawrence. The problem is pick #2 doesn't get you Trevor Lawrence, it gets you the consolation prize. We CAN NOT miss on another draft pick. That is the reason we have the worst roster in football, we don't draft well. With the #2 overall pick we need a player that defiantly can make it in the NFL, not take another chance in hopes that we get a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, J_E_T_$ said: The problem is pick #2 doesn't get you Trevor Lawrence, it gets you the consolation prize. We CAN NOT miss on another draft pick. That is the reason we have the worst roster in football, we don't draft well. With the #2 overall pick we need a player that defiantly can make it in the NFL, not take another chance in hopes that we get a good player. You do realize taking a player at a different position isn't anything other than "another chance", nor "definitely making it" either...right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, J_E_T_$ said: The problem is pick #2 doesn't get you Trevor Lawrence, it gets you the consolation prize. We CAN NOT miss on another draft pick. That is the reason we have the worst roster in football, we don't draft well. With the #2 overall pick we need a player that defiantly can make it in the NFL, not take another chance in hopes that we get a good player. I agree we can’t miss at pick 2 or any pick in the first 2 rounds. Mac is not picking. Idzik is not picking. The man who brought us Becton, Mims and other potential good players is picking. So far, I trust JD. While I am leery of a QB not named Lawrence, if JD is willing to tie his career to a QB at 2, I am willing to accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHectorFan Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 It’s a fine line. Picking early most GMs are scared to swing and miss. Going for the sure thing got us Jamal Adams. Great player at a non vital position. We were nervous to pull the trigger on Mahomes or Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 1 hour ago, .Buzz said: You do realize taking a player at a different position isn't anything other than "another chance", nor "definitely making it" either...right? Thing is you can take multiple players at those positions, you only take 1 QB. Missing on a QB is worse than missing on a Safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Thing is you can take multiple players at those positions, you only take 1 QB. Missing on a QB is worse than missing on a Safety. Yeah, I mean I don't think a team should blindly take a QB if they don't think they can be franchise QBs. Both Fields and Wilson are pretty widely regarded as having the tools/traits to be exactly that though. Even going as far to say that if TLaw wasn't here and this was any other year they'd be worthy of 1st overall selections (Tony Pauline, Dane Brugler, etc have went on record saying it). Let's say you guys end up at 2 or trade back and don't take one of them. If one (or both) at this time next year, or even 2-3 years from now, have the looks of being long term answers/franchise QBs for their teams, how will you feel having passed for an OT/CB etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, .Buzz said: Yeah, I mean I don't think a team should blindly take a QB if they don't think they can be franchise QBs. Both Fields and Wilson are pretty widely regarded as having the tools/traits to be exactly that though. Even going as far to say that if TLaw wasn't here and this was any other year they'd be worthy of 1st overall selections (Tony Pauline, Dane Brugler, etc have went on record saying it). Let's say you guys end up at 2 or trade back and don't take one of them. If one (or both) at this time next year, or even 2-3 years from now, have the looks of being long term answers/franchise QBs for their teams, how will you feel? Not sure honestly. Like we could have taken Mahomes but he was never on our radar. Watson was a guy some of us wanted but we weren't exactly upset we didn't take him. I think we became to attached to the prospect of Lawrence that it hurts the most simply because of everything we went through this season. If Fields turns out to be a Franchise QB I probably wouldn't care too much but Wilson, since I'm really liking what I see, would hurt because if I cant get Lawrence then I want him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Not sure honestly. Like we could have taken Mahomes but he was never on our radar. Watson was a guy some of us wanted but we weren't exactly upset we didn't take him. I think we became to attached to the prospect of Lawrence that it hurts the most simply because of everything we went through this season. If Fields turns out to be a Franchise QB I probably wouldn't care too much but Wilson, since I'm really liking what I see, would hurt because if I cant get Lawrence then I want him. Yeah, I gotta imagine this has to do with assuming Lawrence was completely locked up for so long that no one compares/they all seem incredibly risky. Guess from my POV though, that's how most all drafts are. As you mentioned with Mahomes/KC, Watson/HOU, or going to guys like Herbert last year, etc. they all have their flaws/risk and you just gotta take a swing. Heck, even though Lawrence is considered generational who knows exactly just how good he ends up being? He's the safest one/likely going to be at worst a solid QB, but Wilson/Fields could very well end up being the better QB down the line at the next level. Seeing what Herbert did at Oregon (was not a fan) and now seeing the throws he's making at LAC isn't even comparable. Josh Allen at Wyoming was meh, but with development/being put in a good situation he's arguably a top 5-8 QB in the league now. QB evaluation I find to be pretty impossible, so take the guys with the tools to make it at the next level and see what happens imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, .Buzz said: Let's say you guys end up at 2 or trade back and don't take one of them. If one (or both) at this time next year, or even 2-3 years from now, have the looks of being long term answers/franchise QBs for their teams, how will you feel having passed for an OT/CB etc.? You mean like we feel almost year (this years draft excluded)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, xrade said: You mean like we feel almost year (this years draft excluded)? I'm a Jaguars fan, I know how it is...😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 14 hours ago, J_E_T_$ said: The problem is pick #2 doesn't get you Trevor Lawrence, it gets you the consolation prize. We CAN NOT miss on another draft pick. That is the reason we have the worst roster in football, we don't draft well. With the #2 overall pick we need a player that defiantly can make it in the NFL, not take another chance in hopes that we get a good player. completely disagree. Jets are in the position that they are in talent wise because they have historically been so risk adverse. Like all those years when they were drafting defensive linemen because they were scared of missing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 We drafted Calvin Pryor over Brandin Cooks because he was too small, Darron Lee over Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith because of their injuries but drafted Dee Milliner who sneezed and broke his nose, Quinton Coples over Melvin Ingram because he had short arms, I can probably keep going. I dont mind missing when we take a chance(Hackenberg) simply because it will work out or it wont. But when you take the safe player and it still doesn't work it hurts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 The draft is all about risk, the worst thing we can do I clam up and go conservative with our picks, luckily it seems like from JDs first draft he isn’t afraid of taking chances on guys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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