Daniel Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I'm starting to think that Joe Tryon might be my favorite 3-4 Edge in this class, assuming he hasn't gotten rusty, or stalled his development. Dude is strong, and he moves well in space. I wish I knew more about what these guys that didn't play in 2020 have done to improve. What are yall's opinions of Cam Sample? He looked great in the Senior Bowl 1 on 1s and the game, but I can't find any Tulane game tape to watch, and he had shockingly little production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, goldfishwars said: I just wish he had stayed one more year as a Sooner.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 4:23 PM, Chrissooner49er said: I just wish he had stayed one more year as a Sooner.... He's so skilled its hard not to think of him as top 50 in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 One of the things I'm noticing with Phillips is that he's lines up on the left a lot in some of the stuff I'm watching. That kind of bothers me. Should it? Or am I not watching enough and he moves around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Am I the only one that hopes Joe Tryon stays under the radar so he can be a super value in the 2nd round? That whole Washington defense last season was loaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Am I the only one that hopes Joe Tryon stays under the radar so he can be a super value in the 2nd round? That whole Washington defense last season was loaded There is going to be some real value with edge players in rounds 2 and 3. It's a deep class full of incomplete prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM217 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 What are your guys opinions on Ronnie Perkins in a 3-4? It seems like everywhere I read they mention him as a 4-3DE and some suggest he is scheme limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, TJM217 said: What are your guys opinions on Ronnie Perkins in a 3-4? It seems like everywhere I read they mention him as a 4-3DE and some suggest he is scheme limited. A lot of that stuff is overblown when you look at how versatile schemes now. I mean, I wouldn't want him dropping into coverage a lot. I love Perkins though, he's a beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: A lot of that stuff is overblown when you look at how versatile schemes now. I mean, I wouldn't want him dropping into coverage a lot. I love Perkins though, he's a beast. I have him as a late first and someone corrected me and quoted and changed my post to late day 3 or something ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 That play against Florida is a beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Counselor said: I have him as a late first and someone corrected me and quoted and changed my post to late day 3 or something ridiculous. Brownleader - can only guess he hasn't watched him. I think he's a mid-late 1st rounder too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM217 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: A lot of that stuff is overblown when you look at how versatile schemes now. I mean, I wouldn't want him dropping into coverage a lot. I love Perkins though, he's a beast. Thanks for this! He definitely makes some of the best looking plays. Strong arms guys bigger than him. He doesn't seem like a bendy guy but he wins with good hands and burst. I thought I was missing something with what other scouting reports have been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TJM217 said: What are your guys opinions on Ronnie Perkins in a 3-4? It seems like everywhere I read they mention him as a 4-3DE and some suggest he is scheme limited. I see nothing that makes him only a 4-3 DE. I agree with Goldfish on scheme versatility, the only times I think a guy is limited is only when he's too small and weak to hold up on the edge (like Chris Rumph, maybe to a lesser degree Quincey Roche). On the opposite end, if they're just too big and not quick enough, or just rely on strength without good enough bend/speed/coverage ability, they're a 4-3 DE (Carlos Basham). But even then, you can try to develop a guy's strength and get them to add weight, or learn moves and cut weight and that gets you where you need to be. Mostly, I think people look at a skillset and think someone is a much better fit in one scheme than the other, so if your scheme doesn't match up, then you're just overdrafting the guy. Basham as a 3-4 edge is like a 3rd rounder because he doesn't have that skillset yet, so he'd be a developmental/upside guy, but if you have room for him to play DE in both 3 and 4 fronts, he's a late first. You could play him at 3-4 Edge, but it'd be a dumb use of his talent. Edited February 19, 2021 by Daniel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachjblair Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 3:03 PM, goldfishwars said: Thoughts on Ronnie Perkins? I love his talent but that six games suspension scares me. If he can stay on the field think he could be a very good third round draft pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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