theJ Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 44 minutes ago, eagles18 said: Hackenberg, yes. I'd take Savage and Hoyer over Kaepernick. Realistically, he's closer to being ranked low 40's. I'm not sure i agree with the bolded. I can understand taking those other guys, but Kaepernick has proven a bit more in this league. Even if he's been a bottom teir QB. Hackenberg and Savage are complete unknowns. Hoyer, in his best season, had comparable passing numbers to those posted by Kaepernick last year and doesn't add a rushing element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 47 minutes ago, eagles18 said: Savage has only a few games of experience. Rookies are given far more before jumping to conclusions. So you can conclude that he's a better choice than Kaep? But im wrong to conclude hes worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Gmen4ev said: So you can conclude that he's a better choice than Kaep? But im wrong to conclude hes worse? Also this will be Savages third season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coors Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He's got to end up somewhere, right? That's what I keep thinking yet each day nothing seems to materialize. I thought he was going to be a lock for Seattle. Clearly I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, coors said: He's got to end up somewhere, right? That's what I keep thinking yet each day nothing seems to materialize. I thought he was going to be a lock for Seattle. Clearly I was wrong. Seemed like a test almost. Meant to gauge public reaction. As I recall, they didn't get much push back. But having him in for a visit is different than signing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2lamanaki Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, theJ said: Kaep and Griffin are a little different. The last time we saw Kaepernick, he was doing bottom 10 NFL QB stuff. But still better than almost every backup, so certainly worth a "starting" role. I mean, this was his 2016 stat line in 11 games. 16 TD's 4 INT's 59% comp 6.8 YPA He was decent. But - teams recognize that he's probably no better than that, and aren't willing to endure the media circus that comes along with it just to lose a bunch of games. With Griffin, he just plain sucked every time given a chance the last few years. Really bad TD/INT ratio, bad YPA, etc. And he's hurt all the time. Those stats don't tell nearly the whole story of Kaepernick. Here are his first half stats: 108 of 149 (72.48%) 1317 yards (8.8 YPA) 11 TDs 3 INTs 115.5 QBR And here are his 2nd half stats: 86 of 179 (48.04%) 911 yards (5.1 YPA) 5 TDs 1 INT 70.3 QBR With Chip Kelly - we'd typically start off fine, and then things would just deteriorate completely in the second half (which is exactly when you don't want that to happen). But those stats aren't completely indicative of Chip Kelly. They're just how Colin has played over his entire career. First half: 537 of 854 (62.88%) 6698 yards (7.8 YPA) 43 TDs 14 INTs 97.1 QBR And second half: 467 of 827 (56.47%) 5516 yards (6.7 YPA) 29 TDs 16 INTs 80.6 QBR Could he start over a few of the starting QBs? Possibly. He'd definitely be a worthy backup and has to be one of the top 64 QBs in the NFL. But he definitely has problems and his stats are very misleading. And the stats don't in any way show how horrible his pocket awareness is. There are countless times where you can watch him run directly left or right on any passing down and right into a defensive player rather than rolling or trying to escape. He also hasn't put much effort into mechanics or looking off safeties, and relies on his incredible arm strength to fit balls into windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, y2lamanaki said: Could he start over a few of the starting QBs? Possibly. He'd definitely be a worthy backup and has to be one of the top 64 QBs in the NFL. But he definitely has problems and his stats are very misleading. And the stats don't in any way show how horrible his pocket awareness is. There are countless times where you can watch him run directly left or right on any passing down and right into a defensive player rather than rolling or trying to escape. He also hasn't put much effort into mechanics or looking off safeties, and relies on his incredible arm strength to fit balls into windows. That's true of most QB's in the bottom part of the league. That's why they're in the bottom tier. But i get what you're saying. I'm not saying he was good. Just that he wasn't Ryan Fitzpatrick bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2lamanaki Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, theJ said: That's true of most QB's in the bottom part of the league. That's why they're in the bottom tier. But i get what you're saying. I'm not saying he was good. Just that he wasn't Ryan Fitzpatrick bad. Oh yeah- that last part was just commenting that I agree with your comments that he's decent, and definitely worthy of a roster spot/possibly starting on other teams. But I also wanted to make the point that the stats give him way too much credit when he was pretty terrible in the 2nd half of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashMan510 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Kaep was terrible in 14 and he was the worst QB i saw play in 2015(no hyperbole) under Tomsula. His confidence was destroyed, you could tell by how defeated he looked the whole season. Granted his offensive line was god awful and his receivers were terrible, but the flaws he had his first season starting have always been there, they were just magnified more because he didn't have the best o-line and running game in the league. His footwork is terrible, the touch on his ball was average, at best, when he was at his best and god awful in 14/15, and he still can't read defense or set his protection to save his life. Last year he played better than the car wrecks he had the 2 years prior but hes still really flawed. Right now hes still a top 32 QB in the league. Hes better than Hoyer, Goff, and who ever is going to start for the texans/browns/jets. I don't think many teams would want him as a back up because he brings nothing to the table as an x's and o's guy. Hes good enough to be in the league but the circus he brings doesn't outweigh his play. if he did he'd have a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaRisMa Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 There are other factors, but the main reason is, he isn't worth the media coverage. Much like Tebow or Manziel, unless they were going to be Franchise players, they weren't worth the distraction. Hes certainly a top 64 QB. Unless he's holding out for starter money, there isn't a reason someone hasn't brought him on as a backup at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 He's not good enough for the drama and headaches he brings with him. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDOG_det Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 On 7/20/2017 at 11:28 PM, ChaRisMa said: Unless he's holding out for starter money, there isn't a reason someone hasn't brought him on as a backup at least. Apparently he hasn't been, has only asked for a chance to be on a team, even if it meant on a tryout basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDOG_det Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 On 7/20/2017 at 2:03 PM, MKnight82 said: The problem with having Kaep as your backup is that he likely can't run the same offense as your starter. So if you built an offense around Kaep, ya he'd probably be a top 30 QB in the leage, but who's going to build an offense around their backup QB? Why can't he run the same offense? He's made NFL throws in the NFL, why is now unable to do that? And, it is absolutely possible to add in some QB runs if he's your backup. Take your zone plays from the gun and leave someone unblocked on the backside. Now you have a read option. Take your power plays, and just make the QB the runner. Now you have QB power (with an extra blocker!). That literally takes like 5 minutes in a meeting to adjust. You don't have to completely rebuild the offense for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/20/2017 at 0:48 PM, Gmen4ev said: So you can conclude that he's a better choice than Kaep? But im wrong to conclude hes worse? Yes because we've seen what Kaep can do, we haven't seen what Savage can do. Kaeps inevitable media distractions wouldn't be worth it considering his mediocre play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 5:17 AM, IDOG_det said: Why can't he run the same offense? He's made NFL throws in the NFL, why is now unable to do that? And, it is absolutely possible to add in some QB runs if he's your backup. Take your zone plays from the gun and leave someone unblocked on the backside. Now you have a read option. Take your power plays, and just make the QB the runner. Now you have QB power (with an extra blocker!). That literally takes like 5 minutes in a meeting to adjust. You don't have to completely rebuild the offense for him. He's a run first QB and always has been. if a team is smart they will tailor the offense to his strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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