WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 The Bears can create plenty of cap space in 2021, if they borrow it from 2022 and 2023. That is not being debated. Should a GM who is half way to fired be allowed to spend cap space of the next GM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: That's just a hyperbolt...Pace has done way more good than bad for this team...as I said how many teams with poor QB play have a squad good enough to go 3 seasons without a losing record? Unfortunately you can't absolve him of his own QB situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, WindyCity said: Damn it. That is the point we are debating. Should Pace be allowed to move money into future years when he will not be here? Other teams create space by pushing it down the road. Well, if you keep him on a 1 year prove it deal he is going to use resources to win now at cost of future. Not sure what there is to debate. Everybody does it. Why you don't want GMs on 1 year deals. Either keep them or don't. Or put special restrictions on him? How does that work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Well, if you keep him on a 1 year prove it deal he is going to use resources to win now at cost of future. Not sure what there is to debate. Everybody does it. Why you don't want GMs on 1 year deals. Either keep them or don't. Or put special restrictions on him? How does that work? That is what I am saying. The most dangerous thing to this organization is a desperate Ryan Pace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Well, if you keep him on a 1 year prove it deal he is going to use resources to win now at cost of future. Not sure what there is to debate. Everybody does it. Why you don't want GMs on 1 year deals. Either keep them or don't. Or put special restrictions on him? How does that work? This is the exact argument I'm trying to make. You're either confident in Pace's ability to fix the team or you're not. Trying to package that with thoughts about the 2022 cap situation is disingenuous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 You either fire Pace or you extend him. Firing him after 2021 when he has spent even more future money and draft picks is a massive mistake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Agreed with the thought of either firing Pace or extending him. Putting restrictions on him to do his job the way he sees fit is a useless exercise and you may as well just let him go and hire somebody new. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, topwop1 said: Agreed with the thought of either firing Pace or extending him. Putting restrictions on him to do his job the way he sees fit is a useless exercise and you may as well just let him go and hire somebody new. You really have no way of enforcing them either. If Pace makes a trade up in the draft how would you stop him? You would literally have to fire him in the draft room. Pace wants to sign a guy to a massive backloaded deal to help win in 2021, ownership cannot actually stop him unless they fire him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 If I am Ryan Pace and I am the GM in 2021 with no extension and a likely firing coming, I would trade every single one of the Bears premium draft picks in 2022 and 2023 to get Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. If the QB is a miss, I was fired anyway. If he is a hit, I save my job or guarantee myself another shot somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, WindyCity said: You really have no way of enforcing them either. If Pace makes a trade up in the draft how would you stop him? You would literally have to fire him in the draft room. Pace wants to sign a guy to a massive backloaded deal to help win in 2021, ownership cannot actually stop him unless they fire him. Right. The only way I can envision something like this is by them hiring a team president who will have final say on all personnel moves and draft picks, but again like you said earlier why would they want to keep Pace only to neuter him? I'm starting to believe there's something to all the smoke we are hearing from reliable guys like Biggs on Pace being out come end of season. He is usually on the ball when it comes to these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, topwop1 said: Right. The only way I can envision something like this is by them hiring a team president who will have final say on all personnel moves and draft picks, but again like you said earlier why would they want to keep Pace only to neuter him? I'm starting to believe there's something to all the smoke we are hearing from reliable guys like Biggs on Pace being out come end of season. He is usually on the ball when it comes to these things. If they want to hire a President and give them total control of football and demote Pace to glorified scout that would be fine with me. Not sure Pace goes for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, WindyCity said: You really have no way of enforcing them either. If Pace makes a trade up in the draft how would you stop him? You would literally have to fire him in the draft room. Pace wants to sign a guy to a massive backloaded deal to help win in 2021, ownership cannot actually stop him unless they fire him. Ownership can veto new signings by refusing to give out the money. But draft pick trades are a bit different. There are no contracts being acquired. Most importantly, it doesn't make sense to keep a GM around but also limit him. Either you're confident in his ability to do the job or you aren't. Edited January 5, 2021 by abstract_thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Ownership can veto new signings by refusing to give out the money. But draft pick trades are a bit different. There are no contracts being acquired. Most importantly, it doesn't make sense to keep a GM around but also limit him. Either you're confident in his ability to do the job or you aren't. They can not pay the contract, which would likely get them sued. But they cannot stop Pace from agreeing to the contract. But Pace has control of the 53 and while most GMs get permission on big deals that is not because they have to, it is because they want to keep their bosses happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: You either fire Pace or you extend him. Firing him after 2021 when he has spent even more future money and draft picks is a massive mistake. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, WindyCity said: I do not disagree that he has built a solid team. Unfortunately, his work at QB has left them unable to compete and he has compromised the future cap to go 8-8. You are putting way too much stock into finding nothing but a QB...there are some great QBs in the NFL who have won nothing because they had nothing around them...we need a balance...Pace has shown he can build the team and has earned a 2nd chance to find the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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