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38 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said:

A little bit but he won’t be able to get away with his 89 MPH fastball in the bigs unless his command is pinpoint and mixes in his changeup and curveball better. His fastball has no movement either. 

Exactly.

3 swinging strikes to non-pitchers. Thats really bad, and this start was against a bad team in the Marlins. There were a ton of hard hit balls.

Like you said, it would take Maddux like accuracy, and his curveball to be on, for him to even compete for a spot in the rotation in the future, and that is more than likely not going to happen.

Glad he was sent back to AAA. 

Either a guy can play or he cant. You dont need to see 15 starts to see that he no longer has the stuff to pitch effectively in the big leagues, and we have enough pitching prospects ready that we dont need to wait and hope that he can regain MPH on the fastball. 

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On 8/1/2018 at 2:48 PM, devils1854 said:

Exactly.

3 swinging strikes to non-pitchers. Thats really bad, and this start was against a bad team in the Marlins. There were a ton of hard hit balls.

Like you said, it would take Maddux like accuracy, and his curveball to be on, for him to even compete for a spot in the rotation in the future, and that is more than likely not going to happen.

Glad he was sent back to AAA. 

Either a guy can play or he cant. You dont need to see 15 starts to see that he no longer has the stuff to pitch effectively in the big leagues, and we have enough pitching prospects ready that we dont need to wait and hope that he can regain MPH on the fastball. 

Another stellar performance.

89-90 mph in the middle of the zone and up. Should have called up Touki. Leave Allard in AAA, and hopefully, maybe someone will take him in a trade this winter. 

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@devils1854 Do you think the front office is being too agressive with our young position guys? CJ Alexander skipped rome all together, waters only got 350 PAs there, Jenistas seen three levels in his draft year, and its seems like we're setting pache up to debut sometime next year.

 

I get that two of those were college guys who were old for the level but it seems like we may be pushing too hard too fast on these guys. Id hate o see their development ruined if we're not being patient.

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37 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said:

@devils1854 Do you think the front office is being too agressive with our young position guys? CJ Alexander skipped rome all together, waters only got 350 PAs there, Jenistas seen three levels in his draft year, and its seems like we're setting pache up to debut sometime next year.

 

I get that two of those were college guys who were old for the level but it seems like we may be pushing too hard too fast on these guys. Id hate o see their development ruined if we're not being patient.

It always depends on the player. AA has slowed things down quite a bit from what Coppy did.

A guy like Jenista is unlike the others. He is/was an All American type player in college, and basically moving him up levels is trying to find where he gets challenged. You dont want to let him sit in Rookie ball and not be challenged by the level. You see that from almost every team in MLB. Seth Beer has gone from the NY/Penn league to A ball and now to A+. Would you rather have a guy like Joey Bart hitting .331 with a OPS over 1000 in 30 games in rookie ball? Because thats whats happening. He isnt being challenged there, but it doesnt look like San Francisco is going to move him up.

Waters was dominating in Rome. He needed a new challenge. Plus, call ups like his, Pache, Contreras are all common. They play their level for most of the year, and right around August 1st they are sent to a new level for the last month. Its really like bringing up a kid in September to see what he has. They have already shown all they needed to at the level they spent most of the year at, so give them 25-30 at new level, and its to reward the guys for being that good.

Now if they were being promoted for the hell of it, or if they were dominating and not being called up, thats another thing. Look at Brendon McKay with Tampa for being called up this year after a month in A ball, or look at 17 year old Wander Franco absolutely killing the Appalachian League, and not being sent up to either NY/Penn or A ball.

Just off the top of my head. Jesus Sanchez, Jesus Luzardo, and Jo Adell are guys that are very young that were promoted at the first of the month.

It just really depends on the organization. The Braves and Angels are teams that are aggressive with sending up guys, while teams like Minnesota and San Francisco are slow to promote. Its neither good or bad since you can see examples of both working and both not working.

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21 hours ago, KhanYouDigIt said:

Pete was the best. RIP

I was a really small kid, but Ernie was always my favorite. I just loved how he described the game. Skip and Pete were both good as well. One of the GOAT broadcast trios of all time.

I wish Don would do tv now. He is so much better than Chip and Joe. Hell, Id rather listen to Gilbert Godfried try to call a game instead of those two.

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