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Tells you where his head is at, which I’ve been pointing out to people for the last two months once Lucas took over at LT & Schweitzer took over at LG.

Also don’t forget that we have Christian & Charles coming back next year off of injury to compete as well.

I think if an OL is definitely the top player in the board in round 1 or 2 that we may take an OL, but it seems to me that Rivera is satisfied  with what he currently has, and I don’t blame him.

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3 minutes ago, RSkinGM said:

Gut feeling- Scherff walks , we take the draft pick . Draft a guard fairly high , round 2 or one of the thirds/

He’d only “walk,” if we don’t offer him a good contract. If we do lose him, I do think they’ll draft another guard in the first 3 rounds. I would also point out that we still have Saahdiq Charles who could start there should we lose him.

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Just now, turtle28 said:

He’d only “walk,” if we don’t offer him a good contract. If we do lose him, I do think they’ll draft another guard in the first 3 rounds. I would also point out that we still have Saahdiq Charles who could start there should we lose him.

We offered him a fair contract last year from what I remember . He wants top 5 money. AND like you said -- we have a hole card in Charles !

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1 hour ago, RSkinGM said:

We offered him a fair contract last year from what I remember . He wants top 5 money. AND like you said -- we have a hole card in Charles !

True, I guess we’ll see what happens.

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Coming in at 29th on the preseason edition of these rankings, Washington presents one of the biggest surprises of the regular season with their play up front.

The biggest question mark coming into the year surrounded who would win the left tackle job. Geron Christian won the job and started there for six games before being placed on injured reserve with a knee injury. Still, his replacement, Cornelius Lucas, actually provided some stability at the position with a 78.3 overall grade and an 83.1 grade in pass protection that ranked 11th at the position over the regular season.

Solid play from Lucas and Wes Schweitzer on the left side, paired with top-10 grades from each of Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff and Morgan Moses at the other starting spots, resulted in a much-improved group from a season ago. Roullier recently got his long-term extension to stay in Washington, and Scherff will be looking for the same this offseason.

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9 hours ago, RSkinGM said:

Gut feeling- Scherff walks , we take the draft pick . Draft a guard fairly high , round 2 or one of the thirds/

The concerning part is that we only get the pick if we don’t sign a comparable free agent and don’t sign as many free agents as we lose. 

Are we really going to largely sit out FA again? Especially if we lose Scherff? We’re going to let one of our best players walk and not even use the money we’d earmarked for him to make a major upgrade somewhere else?

I came into this season ready to let Scherff go. I would have traded him in the offseason, actually, and I would have tried to do the same at the deadline. Shows what I know, I guess. But at this point, I think they’re committed. They can’t afford to lose a player of that quality for nothing. I’ve really liked a lot of what I’ve heard about Scherff from teammates and coaches this season — he’s been kind of a mystery man for a lot of the time he’s been here, I’ve thought — and I do think you need to invest in keeping your own guys when they play at a high level. 

Scares me, because I’m not thrilled about paying guards and I’m definitely not thrilled about paying guys with injury histories. But you also can’t let Pro Bowl players walk for free. 

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1 hour ago, mar29020 said:

why let shereff walk, we have money.

He will be super expensive, lots of injuries, some so so play in the last couple years.  He is also great for stretches.  Tough call. 

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17 minutes ago, offbyone said:

He will be super expensive, lots of injuries, some so so play in the last couple years.  He is also great for stretches.  Tough call. 

You sign him. He’s a top 5 guard in the league and honestly if he misses a couple games a year it still may be worth it. Only reason I would release him is if we got to see Charles play this year and liked what we saw but we didn’t.

As much as I like getting Como picks I hate how everyone on here treats them as a prize! If we signed one good WR in FA it would erase the pick we would get for Scherrf 

so ask yourself this question what’s more important a pick at the end of the 3rd round that’s really an early 4th or a multiple pro bowl guard who’s 28 and our best lineman 

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As high as I was on Charles coming out to play guard here this guy has literally barely even practiced and were just supposed to let a captain and great teammate walk in hopes Charles can be something he’s shown nothing to warrant. There are players in this draft if we open up that need but the fact I’d say the best course of bus’s I was for this team is adding a Curtis Samuel or ARob to pair with Terry so you don’t have to draft that position unless the value is just to high to pass you just erased whatever company your going to get for Brandon. The player is worth the money. Is his body breaking down? Idk he’s seemed to do fairly well here and players generally go above and beyond on their second deals moreso then on their rookie deals. If Brandon prices himself out then we have to hope Charles can be that guy. But to think we’re going to get a comp pick when we are going to have to be aggressive to get our QB of the future means we need to spend some money on a few players to supplement what we aren’t going to be able to draft and develop on this team this year to hopefully give said QB a chance to play meaningful games come seasons end

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13 hours ago, LoganF89 said:

You sign him. He’s a top 5 guard in the league and honestly if he misses a couple games a year it still may be worth it. Only reason I would release him is if we got to see Charles play this year and liked what we saw but we didn’t.

As much as I like getting Como picks I hate how everyone on here treats them as a prize! If we signed one good WR in FA it would erase the pick we would get for Scherrf 

so ask yourself this question what’s more important a pick at the end of the 3rd round that’s really an early 4th or a multiple pro bowl guard who’s 28 and our best lineman 

I just don't think he is a top 5 guard at this point and I don't trust him to stay healthy.  At best he is a top 5 guard when he is completely healthy, but that is like half the time.  Charles plays a different position, so a non decision maker for me.  

I very much agree with you on comp picks.  They are not prizes.  Frequently getting them generally means you failed managing your cap.  In this case, we need to make a smart decision.  I think if Scherff has another big injury in the next 3 years resigning him to a mega deal would be a mistake.  The future is hard to predict.  But in this case, the odds are pretty clear that he will be injured.

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13 minutes ago, offbyone said:

I just don't think he is a top 5 guard at this point and I don't trust him to stay healthy.  At best he is a top 5 guard when he is completely healthy, but that is like half the time.  Charles plays a different position, so a non decision maker for me.  

I very much agree with you on comp picks.  They are not prizes.  Frequently getting them generally means you failed managing your cap.  In this case, we need to make a smart decision.  I think if Scherff has another big injury in the next 3 years resigning him to a mega deal would be a mistake.  The future is hard to predict.  But in this case, the odds are pretty clear that he will be injured.

He just got All-Pro, so obviously a lot of people disagree.

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On 1/7/2021 at 11:54 AM, turtle28 said:

Tells you where his head is at, which I’ve been pointing out to people for the last two months once Lucas took over at LT & Schweitzer took over at LG.

Also don’t forget that we have Christian & Charles coming back next year off of injury to compete as well.

I think if an OL is definitely the top player in the board in round 1 or 2 that we may take an OL, but it seems to me that Rivera is satisfied  with what he currently has, and I don’t blame him.

Christian isn't that good.  He might find himself on the outside looking in.  Charles has a shot to compete at multiple spots, especially if Scherff isn't brought back.  

One thing is for sure here.........John Matsko can coach.  It didn't hurt that he was left with some talent who was also coached by the only peer with comparison in Bill Callahan, but they have completely different systems.  Usually it takes a year to make adjustments.  We saw some definite changes once we were a quarter into the season and had an initial chance to evaluate what we had.  Christian and Martin didn't cut it, and Haskins struggled with calling out protections. 

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The decision really isn’t Ron’s, it’s Brandon’s. Does he really want to play here with the ever changing QB situation? I think Scherrf doesn’t sign anything until Ron gets the Quarterback room straightened out. 

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