jch1911 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, jch1911 said: I.haz.a.sad LZ is usually clued in on Texans' stuff... I think he has an in with DW4's agent Looks like LZ deleted it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, jch1911 said: Looks like LZ deleted it! Is that Texans fan/soccer Mod @UKTexans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Right now, the only people I'm trusting is Deshaun, David Mughaletta and Josina Anderson (who is in as tight as anyone with Watson/Mug). Anyone else is white noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) i need 3 firsts and a player minimum, if i were even in the mood to entertain a trade like Watson cost us a 12th overall and a 4th overall, and i'm going to need a lot more than that now that we know how good he really is Edited January 19, 2021 by tab 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, tab said: i need 3 firsts and a player minimum, if i were even in the mood to entertain a trade I punt to next off-season. If Watson stands his ground, he'll sit out. He stands to lose a lot of money and - most importantly - let down a lot of people he loves and respects in that locker room. Everything we've seen about him tells me that's not in his nature. Sitting out of TC seems like a stretch, TBH - guy is a workaholic. Time is on the Texans side with this. Deshaun Watson is worth as much now as he is next season, so why rush anything? Do what you can to salvage everything - up to and including surrounding Watson with people he wants (Bienemy, Kelly, etc). Call in Team Captains such as Larmey Tunsil to see if he could get Watson back in sync. Fire Easterby, of course. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I cant see Watson sitting out though. If he really cares about 'lost years' then theres no bigger waste than sitting out a season. I really hope we retain Will Fuller because I cant see him sitting on the sidelines with Fuller playing for us Our draft position for 2022 improves drastically either way if he sits/is traded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhorns90 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Separating myself from the emotions a bit, I think it's important to take into account, when analyzing the situation, who has leverage. Right here and now, when the Texans don't have a head coach yet is when Deshaun Watson has the most leverage. And he knows, if he wants to implement change in the organization, his best move is to make as much noise as possible to force the Texans to accommodate him in the one position remaining that can truly bring a culture shift. The minute the Texans think he isn't willing to pull the trigger, he loses, so it's in his best interest to keep the pot at as close to boiling over as possible. If he's already resigned to leaving the team, whoever the next head coach is meaningless to him, so there's no point to keep holding the trade request card in his hand. But by keeping the threat there - by putting external pressure from the media and the fans on the organization - he's closest to getting what he wants. And if he doesn't get it? Well, he can always pull the trigger. Because once he requests the trade, he also loses a lot of leverage. Sure, he can control which team he wants to go through his no-trade clause, but as people have noted, the Texans can mostly eat his salary cap hit next season, and so I think the most likely situation if he holds out is that he ends up stuck here during the offseason. If anything, I'd bet money that the Texans wait until the season itself, waiting for a team that's relatively competitive but uncertain in their quarterback position and with a head coach/GM who can feel their seat getting warmer, especially if they don't manage to make the playoffs - something like the Bears this year - who crack under pressure and give up a king's ransom to get Deshaun Watson to put them over the top and hopefully save their jobs. But in the interim, Deshaun's left like a flag waving on a pole, hoping that a team he likes is willing to put enough on the table that Houston's willing to give him up. In the end, the best position for Watson to be in right now is to be seen as being on the brink of forcing a trade. I don't think it's any coincidence that's exactly where he is. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Longhorns90 said: Separating myself from the emotions a bit, I think it's important to take into account, when analyzing the situation, who has leverage. Right here and now, when the Texans don't have a head coach yet is when Deshaun Watson has the most leverage. And he knows, if he wants to implement change in the organization, his best move is to make as much noise as possible to force the Texans to accommodate him in the one position remaining that can truly bring a culture shift. The minute the Texans think he isn't willing to pull the trigger, he loses, so it's in his best interest to keep the pot at as close to boiling over as possible. If he's already resigned to leaving the team, whoever the next head coach is meaningless to him, so there's no point to keep holding the trade request card in his hand. But by keeping the threat there - by putting external pressure from the media and the fans on the organization - he's closest to getting what he wants. And if he doesn't get it? Well, he can always pull the trigger. Because once he requests the trade, he also loses a lot of leverage. Sure, he can control which team he wants to go through his no-trade clause, but as people have noted, the Texans can mostly eat his salary cap hit next season, and so I think the most likely situation if he holds out is that he ends up stuck here during the offseason. If anything, I'd bet money that the Texans wait until the season itself, waiting for a team that's relatively competitive but uncertain in their quarterback position and with a head coach/GM who can feel their seat getting warmer, especially if they don't manage to make the playoffs - something like the Bears this year - who crack under pressure and give up a king's ransom to get Deshaun Watson to put them over the top and hopefully save their jobs. But in the interim, Deshaun's left like a flag waving on a pole, hoping that a team he likes is willing to put enough on the table that Houston's willing to give him up. In the end, the best position for Watson to be in right now is to be seen as being on the brink of forcing a trade. I don't think it's any coincidence that's exactly where he is. Fantastic response - this really lines up and makes a ton of sense. I'm actually going to share this in Gen, if you don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I saw someone a hypothetical trade with the jets of Mekhi Becton, pick 2 and pick 23 for Watson. man that would give us bookend tackles. We could move Howard to guard. We could draft a QB a 2 and pick up a CB at 23 or trade back for multiple seconds. Would be a really good trade for us. also saw picks 3 and 18 plus Xavien Howard for Watson. Draft a QB at 3 and a lineman at 18. those would be the only type deals I’d consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Curious as to what @Apollo Stallion has to say - wondering if he's still here (he left after the Hopkins trade, but popped in after BoB was fired). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 ... As the world turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 So is it confirmed that Watson was in on interviews with HC candidates? also we are denying people permission to interview Tim Kelly. I suspect that means we have thoughts of hiring a defensive coach and keeping kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drained Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 23 hours ago, Pastor Dillon said: So is it confirmed that Watson was in on interviews with HC candidates? also we are denying people permission to interview Tim Kelly. I suspect that means we have thoughts of hiring a defensive coach and keeping kelly Gave us the best passing offense in Houston Texans history, if we had this kind of pass with DW in 2012 we'd be SB champs. Just need to hope EB can help him when it comes to scheming run plays and hopefully bring in a run game coordinator worth anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinsesq Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 People keep mentioning red flags on Bienemy, the only things I find are roughly 20+ years old. if it’s that remote I wouldn’t be concerned. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Tell you what, Turner - pass an ordinance that bans anyone with the name "Easterby" from the city limits at any and all times. Tough for Jack to get things done out in The Woodlands... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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