KFP7 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, Cheesehawk said: Regarding the defenses, I had an interesting debate the other day with some friends. Who has the better secondary? Rams CB1: Jalen Ramsey CB2: Troy Hill CB3: Darious Williams FS: John Johnson SS: Jordan Fuller Packers CB1: Jaire Alexander CB2: Kevin King CB3: Chandon Sullivan FS: Darnell Savage SS: Adrian Amos hard to do this. The rams secondary benefits from the 2nd best pass rush in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I know this is serious but in a way it's kind of hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFP7 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I know this is serious but in a way it's kind of hilarious. oh boy watch he infects the entire team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamRod Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Was Veldheer expected to step in and start right away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, RamRod said: Was Veldheer expected to step in and start right away? no, he was signed to be swing tackle in case somebody busted a chin strap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamRod Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: no, he was signed to be swing tackle in case somebody busted a chin strap F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Really not good. He was in the building on Tuesday. If he had close contacts in the o-line room, we could be absolutely screwed with the Rams defense on deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfd16 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, KFP7 said: oh boy watch he infects the entire team Stop. I can only get so erect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfd16 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I heard Veldheer got in the building and shared a passionate kiss with Aaron Rodgers, Davonte Adams and Jaire Alexander. It was a beautiful sight to behold. Unfortunately, now it's different... shame 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: It's actually closer than many probably think, but LAR probably have an edge due to CB2/CB3. CB1 is a push GB's safeties are better (especially since Savage has climbed from like a 50 rating at beginning of year, he's playing like a 90 the 2nd half of year). If this is PFF's grading system, I'll just say their grading sucks. (I'm assuming it is, and I have held this opinion for a long time.) I won't get into the issues with the CB rankings. They vastly underrate Jordan Fuller (and it sounds like they're underrating Savage in your mind too). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, jrry32 said: If this is PFF's grading system, I'll just say their grading sucks. (I'm assuming it is, and I have held this opinion for a long time.) I won't get into the issues with the CB rankings. They vastly underrate Jordan Fuller (and it sounds like they're underrating Savage in your mind too). they aren't gospel, but it's a starting point and the GB scores reflect very well (except for underrating King, probably). Savage wasn't very good to start, but has been ELITE to finish, so his grade for the season seems about right. Posting a bunch of 85+ scores to end the year to climb from mid 50s to mid 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, KFP7 said: hard to do this. The rams secondary benefits from the 2nd best pass rush in the league. agreed here. Looking at team passing numbers is hard to extract/assign responsibility this way - so I defaulted to a combo of individual scores instead to try and parse this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: they aren't gospel, but it's a starting point and the GB scores reflect very well (except for underrating King, probably). Savage wasn't very good to start, but has been ELITE to finish, so his grade for the season seems about right. Posting a bunch of 85+ scores to end the year to climb from mid 50s to mid 70s. I can say that the Rams' scores do not. Ramsey is far and away our best CB. Darious Williams is a ballhawk, but he isn't anywhere near the cover CB Ramsey is. Same with Troy Hill. That's why Ramsey often gets locked in man on the #1 WR, while Hill and Williams are often in zone. And Fuller is far, far better than his score. Very disciplined player who is consistently where he's supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: I can say that the Rams' scores do not. Ramsey is far and away our best CB. Darious Williams is a ballhawk, but he isn't anywhere near the cover CB Ramsey is. Same with Troy Hill. That's why Ramsey often gets locked in man on the #1 WR, while Hill and Williams are often in zone. And Fuller is far, far better than his score. Very disciplined player who is consistently where he's supposed to be. I mean, this is how the scoring works though. It's additive so a ballhawk getting a pick is gonna be more valuable in this system than a guy who doesn't get thrown at (I suspect). Both have value, however, and there's no adjustment for quality of WR lined up across from. It seems like a good reflection to me. Being a 90 against #1 WRs is much better than being an 85 against 2/3 WRs - but it's an accurate (enough) measure of how they perform in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I mean, this is how the scoring works though. It's additive so a ballhawk getting a pick is gonna be more valuable in this system than a guy who doesn't get thrown at (I suspect). Both have value, however, and there's no adjustment for quality of WR lined up across from. It seems like a good reflection to me. Being a 90 against #1 WRs is much better than being an 85 against 2/3 WRs - but it's an accurate (enough) measure of how they perform in that role. But the grades are intended to rank the players with their position groups, so that's a failure of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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