bcb1213 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Blue said: Unless something is changed, you can't sign a player to the fifth year option if they've already signed a new IRL contract. We made it so u can only sign a fifth year option if the player has an Irl one. In this case he does. You can't use fifth year option if they replaced that with a new contract. Houston did not replace the fifth year option. They signed the extension after the fifth year option season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, bcb1213 said: We made it so u can only sign a fifth year option if the player has an Irl one. In this case he does. You can't use fifth year option if they replaced that with a new contract. Houston did not replace the fifth year option. They signed the extension after the fifth year option season Bold: I don't think that's what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Death vallely emphatically cuts Ben Roethlisberger. Yes I am aware he is actually a free agent but nobody asked your opinion do not take this from me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Blue said: Bold: I don't think that's what it says. It Also says u can't three up a rookie contract which he is still technically on til next year and that the three up has to be from his actual Irl contract for the time and length which we can't use cause the four years doesn't mean start til next year. It's just one of those unique situations that come up where I feel we need to just use the option then three up the contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, bcb1213 said: It Also says u can't three up a rookie contract which he is still technically on til next year and that the three up has to be from his actual Irl contract for the time and length which we can't use cause the four years doesn't mean start til next year. It's just one of those unique situations that come up where I feel we need to just use the option then three up the contract No, those situations are covered under different rules. You can't 3 Up a rookie contract, which is irrelevant because he's signed a new deal and the 3 Up would be based on that. He would just 3 Up him on a 5 year deal that includes the 5th year option as the first year of the new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I mean Mahomes is in the same boat, if y'all want to give me an extra 3 Up this year and Mahomes on a massive bargain for an extra year, sure. But it's probably better for the league in the long haul to admit that bcb is wrong about how it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Blue said: No, those situations are covered under different rules. You can't 3 Up a rookie contract, which is irrelevant because he's signed a new deal and the 3 Up would be based on that. He would just 3 Up him on a 5 year deal that includes the 5th year option as the first year of the new deal. @SirA1 should come in but I’m pretty sure he explained before that we’ve avoided that step and gone straight into their new contract if offered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Shrug. Just wouldn't make sense in my brain to potentially have to three up a player twice on the same contract but whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, bcb1213 said: Shrug. Just wouldn't make sense in my brain to potentially have to three up a player twice on the same contract but whatever Why/How would you 3 Up a player twice on the same contract in this scenario? Edited January 12, 2021 by Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: Shrug. Just wouldn't make sense in my brain to potentially have to three up a player twice on the same contract but whatever Hey, clearly we would be beneficiaries. I will gladly talk through this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 45 minutes ago, Blue said: Why/How would you 3 Up a player twice on the same contract in this scenario? How do you want him to three up a four year contract that doesn't end for five years only once. So in the fifth year, he'd have to three up the fourth year as Watson won't start the first season of that contract til 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, MD4L said: @SirA1 should come in but I’m pretty sure he explained before that we’ve avoided that step and gone straight into their new contract if offered. @bcb1213 @Blue OK I had time to look into this. The Texans did exercise Watson's 5th year option but that was $17.3M. The new number on Spotrac of $10540 for 2021 likely does mean the contract was altered to keep his cap number cheap for 1 more year. The publicized 4 year contract that comes out to $39K per year was likely something to make the contract look bigger than it actually is for agent purposes. I would be inclined to rule that his 5th year option is no more but that it is actually a 5 year contract left. $156K + $10,540 = $166,540/5 to base your 3 Up off of. I think these big QB contracts may need arbitration like this as each NFL team will structure them differently. But I am also not on the contract committee just my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, SirA1 said: I think these big QB contracts may need arbitration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 6 hours ago, bcb1213 said: How do you want him to three up a four year contract that doesn't end for five years only once. So in the fifth year, he'd have to three up the fourth year as Watson won't start the first season of that contract til 2022 Reading is a useful skill. 7 hours ago, Blue said: No, those situations are covered under different rules. You can't 3 Up a rookie contract, which is irrelevant because he's signed a new deal and the 3 Up would be based on that. He would just 3 Up him on a 5 year deal that includes the 5th year option as the first year of the new deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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