Who do we take at #25?

[.Buzz]

42 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said:

I just don’t see him as that much of an upgrade over Cam.

They pretty much had the same pressure rate % last season and that’s with Cam pass blocking more and Brown getting a lot of help from Balt’s offensive scheme. Jags attempted 200 more passes than the Ravens did.

Not to mention Cam is the superior run blocker. 
 

If it was between trading a pick (25) for Brown or keeping Cam and the pick (25), I’ll take the latter.

Think we're underestimating Brown switching sides without any reps prior and still having a lower pressure percentage in his first year there than Cam.

This doesn't even get into the fact Cam did what he did in a contract year and still was just an average LT at best this year (some metrics didn't even put him there).

Too each their own. But I'm taking Brown.

[DuvalsKing]

7 hours ago, KhanYouDigIt said:

I just don’t see him as that much of an upgrade over Cam.

They pretty much had the same pressure rate % last season and that’s with Cam pass blocking more and Brown getting a lot of help from Balt’s offensive scheme. Jags attempted 200 more passes than the Ravens did.

Not to mention Cam is the superior run blocker. 
 

If it was between trading a pick (25) for Brown or keeping Cam and the pick (25), I’ll take the latter.

I agree wholeheartedly agree you’re essentially giving up picks.. and future cap considerations for a tackle that may give you a slight bump but it’s not going to be a bump where you look back and say well that guy is significantly better than Cam. I just don’t see it.. people say caps not an issue.. yeah it’s not an issue until it becomes an issue.. see the Saints just look back at us at early as 2018 on the cusp.. starting off 3-1.. it looked great coming off a deep playoff push.. but the key mistake was giving Blake that money in the offseason.. even a team friendly deal still handcuffed the organization. You can’t keep throwing money at people just because.. why? Because you don’t know what the future holds. I hate to see the Jags do Joe Schobert type things over paying for avg to above avg players. If this squad is going to be in contention in 2 years a large majority of the key assets (best players on the squad) need to be on rookie deals. 

[pwny]

17 hours ago, LinderFournette said:

if they were really on their last leg they should have made a deal for wentz who some are annoiting superbowl contenders🤣 cuz of the move.

who they gonna trade for Danrold?  gonna be cheaper to trade for minshew. 

There’s a lot of QB dominos to still fall. Watson, Carr, Jimmy G and Teddy are all up in the air whether or not they stay with their current team. There’s some other long shots as well. I wouldn’t write them off as needing to be desperate for Minshew yet. 

[KhanYouDigIt]

Wouldn’t hate it.

[.Buzz]

Wrong thread

[LinderFournette]

5 hours ago, pwny said:

There’s a lot of QB dominos to still fall. Watson, Carr, Jimmy G and Teddy are all up in the air whether or not they stay with their current team. There’s some other long shots as well. I wouldn’t write them off as needing to be desperate for Minshew yet. 

Carr's not going anywhere. 

Jimmy eh. 

Teddy probably stays unless they get Watson

[Tugboat]

On 2/21/2021 at 7:30 PM, .Buzz said:

If this is their last chance why should price of Minshew vs Darnold matter? Darnold isn't costing more than a 2nd anyway.

Is Darnold even actually better than Minshew? Taller, sure. Drafted higher, sure. But actually better? I’m not sure.

[.Buzz]

11 minutes ago, Tugboat said:

Is Darnold even actually better than Minshew? Taller, sure. Drafted higher, sure. But actually better? I’m not sure.

I believe so, yes.

He also has played under Gase and in an offense with little to no talent around him. I'd much rather take a shot on Darnold than Minshew.

[JiffyJag]

1 hour ago, Tugboat said:

Is Darnold even actually better than Minshew? Taller, sure. Drafted higher, sure. But actually better? I’m not sure.

Darnold has more physical talent, but Minshew has looked comfortably better thus far.

[pwny]

If you told me that Darnold is going to leave the Jets and within two years, he’s a top 12 QB, I’d believe you. I’d tell you about how Gase gave him a trash situation and it did no favors for Darnold.

But if you told me that he leaves and is somehow worse than he’s been so far, I’d believe that too. He just has shown nothing to suggest he’s the guy. He will occasionally have a mostly good game, and then make 1-3 disastrous plays that make you think there’s no way you can keep trotting him out there.

[.Buzz]

1 minute ago, pwny said:

If you told me that Darnold is going to leave the Jets and within two years, he’s a top 12 QB, I’d believe you. I’d tell you about how Gase gave him a trash situation and it did no favors for Darnold.

But if you told me that he leaves and is somehow worse than he’s been so far, I’d believe that too. He just has shown nothing to suggest he’s the guy. He will occasionally have a mostly good game, and then make 1-3 disastrous plays that make you think there’s no way you can keep trotting him out there.

Pretty much.

Which is the whole point. If you're asking me, as a Bears fan/their regime if I'd rather Darnold or Minshew it's not really close. Although I don't think Darnold ends up working out, he is the guy between the two that at least has a chance, albeit small, to be "the guy".

[Uncle Buck]

23 hours ago, Tugboat said:

Is Darnold even actually better than Minshew? Taller, sure. Drafted higher, sure. But actually better? I’m not sure.

I agree.  The way I see it, he probably has a higher ceiling, but at this point, Gardner's floor is a lot higher.

[sammymvpknight]

I think Darnold sucks. He was an incredibly overrated college prospect...just like Rosen. 

[DuvalsKing]

On 2/23/2021 at 12:36 AM, pwny said:

If you told me that Darnold is going to leave the Jets and within two years, he’s a top 12 QB, I’d believe you. I’d tell you about how Gase gave him a trash situation and it did no favors for Darnold.

But if you told me that he leaves and is somehow worse than he’s been so far, I’d believe that too. He just has shown nothing to suggest he’s the guy. He will occasionally have a mostly good game, and then make 1-3 disastrous plays that make you think there’s no way you can keep trotting him out there.

🤔So essentially he’s the Luke Joeckel of QBs. 

Edited February 25, 2021 by DuvalsKing

[Tugboat]

On 2/22/2021 at 10:41 PM, .Buzz said:

Pretty much.

Which is the whole point. If you're asking me, as a Bears fan/their regime if I'd rather Darnold or Minshew it's not really close. Although I don't think Darnold ends up working out, he is the guy between the two that at least has a chance, albeit small, to be "the guy".

I can understand the argument there i guess.  I just kinda see it as a "draft pedigree" hype thing at this point though.  I suppose to an extent, it depends on exactly what you're trying to do.  But ultimately, this idea of trying to "salvage" guys like Darnold just seems to boil down to fooling yourself into a differently inadequate situation.  It's the same mistake we made with Bortles.  Long string of similar mistakes before that, on highly drafted guys with some perceived "upside" who just never actually turn into something that they've never been.

Like, if you're rummaging around the trash bin looking for "The Guy" you're doing it wrong.  You might find "A Guy" that way.  But not "The Guy".  Which is where, to me at least...as much as Minshew clearly isn't going to be a long-term franchise QB option for anybody...neither is Darnold, and when it comes to being "A Guy", Minshew is probably the better/safer bet to not be a complete disaster.