LETSGOBROWNIES Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 15 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: I have no idea how to read this. But I’m gonna guess like every year the data says not to spend money in free agency. But I don’t care we have to improve. Worked for Tampa. It also ignores the fact that good teams tend to draft well and spend most of their money on resigning home grown talent. If you don’t have talent... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: It also ignores the fact that good teams tend to draft well and spend most of their money on resigning home grown talent. If you don’t have talent... Yep and outside of jeddrick our entire draft class last year is still a huge question mark. They did very little. We can’t afford to hope those guys work out and pass on good free agents that will help us right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Yep and outside of jeddrick our entire draft class last year is still a huge question mark. They did very little. We can’t afford to hope those guys work out and pass on good free agents that will help us right now. I think spending huge money in FA is generally bad. You’re paying good players great player salaries. There are obviously exceptions. FA is a great way to add talent, but imo is best used as a way to fill holes in the roster with decent talent at a slight overpay than to try to use it as a way to build the core of your roster. Good teams use both FA and draft well, it’s not one or the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaWg_LB. Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: It also ignores the fact that good teams tend to draft well and spend most of their money on resigning home grown talent. If you don’t have talent... This gave birth to the complete thought process of the Curious Case of David Njoku. It seems popular opinion to trade him, or to cut him to save his 6M vs the cap....when if you add the entire TE room together, they make a little less than OBJ (Dont want OBJ cut or traded either)...but if we need to save money, you dont start with your upper Cheap/Low Mid priced dudes IMO. I know he requested that he wanted to be traded...because he wants to play, and wants to be a #1 TE somewhere. He never said he didnt like Cleveland, or the Front Office, or his position group, or his teammates....quite the opposite, saying how much he actually likes it. I understand also that he wants to be a #1 TE and makes lots of money, and their is nothing wrong with that IMO. He didnt complain, he WITHDREW the trade request and went to work. By the end of the season he was by FAR our best TE...in the last 2 pitts games and the KC game, he was CRUSHING people with blocks and was a reliable target in the passing game. DAMN what the salaries are....NJoku is our best TE right IMO and should be in the mix to start next year. We play with so many TE sets, and with Injuries and Covid, I'm not all for depleting the depth. IF we trade Njoku, what would we really get in return.....a 4th....POSSIBLY a 3rd if someone was desperate. If we keep him and he plays the entire year like he did in the last 3 games (wow a young player maturing in his 3rd season, as he spent one year injured mostly) then with the contract he would get, we get a 3rd round com pick form him next year anyway. Hell, what am I talking about..if he plays the entire season the way he played the last 3, we trade Hooper and resign Njoku... I just dont get why folks want to get rid of Njoku....just dosent make sense to me... Rant Concluded. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, DaWg_LB. said: This gave birth to the complete thought process of the Curious Case of David Njoku. It seems popular opinion to trade him, or to cut him to save his 6M vs the cap....when if you add the entire TE room together, they make a little less than OBJ (Dont want OBJ cut or traded either)...but if we need to save money, you dont start with your upper Cheap/Low Mid priced dudes IMO. I know he requested that he wanted to be traded...because he wants to play, and wants to be a #1 TE somewhere. He never said he didnt like Cleveland, or the Front Office, or his position group, or his teammates....quite the opposite, saying how much he actually likes it. I understand also that he wants to be a #1 TE and makes lots of money, and their is nothing wrong with that IMO. He didnt complain, he WITHDREW the trade request and went to work. By the end of the season he was by FAR our best TE...in the last 2 pitts games and the KC game, he was CRUSHING people with blocks and was a reliable target in the passing game. DAMN what the salaries are....NJoku is our best TE right IMO and should be in the mix to start next year. We play with so many TE sets, and with Injuries and Covid, I'm not all for depleting the depth. IF we trade Njoku, what would we really get in return.....a 4th....POSSIBLY a 3rd if someone was desperate. If we keep him and he plays the entire year like he did in the last 3 games (wow a young player maturing in his 3rd season, as he spent one year injured mostly) then with the contract he would get, we get a 3rd round com pick form him next year anyway. Hell, what am I talking about..if he plays the entire season the way he played the last 3, we trade Hooper and resign Njoku... I just dont get why folks want to get rid of Njoku....just dosent make sense to me... Rant Concluded. In light of our cap space going into 2021, and that Njoku is 24 years old and will have just turned 25, and we've already picked up his 5th year option, I concur. While I like Bryant, he's not ready yet (no surprise there as TE is one of the hardest positions to adjust to coming from college), and unless he takes a giant step forward this year, Njoku is a good blocking TE and still has some value in the Red Zone. We don't need to re-sign him again next year, but this year, we may as well roll with him and Hooper, with Bryant as that 3rd guy who can/will continue to rotate in and out of the backfield as a hybrid TE. We lead the league in 2TE sets (or at least are pretty close to it), so I'd basically bring back the entire offense and run it back, see how Baker continues to develop and/or cement himself this year. I'd use that free cap space to load up and build the defense, with understanding in 2022 that we'll need to PAY Baker and then look at some other roster cap maneuvers, which should not be as catastrophic as others. If we could re-sign Chubb and Teller, I'll be a happy man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoffma1999 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, DaWg_LB. said: This gave birth to the complete thought process of the Curious Case of David Njoku. It seems popular opinion to trade him, or to cut him to save his 6M vs the cap....when if you add the entire TE room together, they make a little less than OBJ (Dont want OBJ cut or traded either)...but if we need to save money, you dont start with your upper Cheap/Low Mid priced dudes IMO. I know he requested that he wanted to be traded...because he wants to play, and wants to be a #1 TE somewhere. He never said he didnt like Cleveland, or the Front Office, or his position group, or his teammates....quite the opposite, saying how much he actually likes it. I understand also that he wants to be a #1 TE and makes lots of money, and their is nothing wrong with that IMO. He didnt complain, he WITHDREW the trade request and went to work. By the end of the season he was by FAR our best TE...in the last 2 pitts games and the KC game, he was CRUSHING people with blocks and was a reliable target in the passing game. DAMN what the salaries are....NJoku is our best TE right IMO and should be in the mix to start next year. We play with so many TE sets, and with Injuries and Covid, I'm not all for depleting the depth. IF we trade Njoku, what would we really get in return.....a 4th....POSSIBLY a 3rd if someone was desperate. If we keep him and he plays the entire year like he did in the last 3 games (wow a young player maturing in his 3rd season, as he spent one year injured mostly) then with the contract he would get, we get a 3rd round com pick form him next year anyway. Hell, what am I talking about..if he plays the entire season the way he played the last 3, we trade Hooper and resign Njoku... I just dont get why folks want to get rid of Njoku....just dosent make sense to me... Rant Concluded. I agree completely. You don't trade away young guys that you know will take some time to develop. Everyone knew when he was in the draft that he had two major weaknesses that needed improvement, i.e. blocking and occasional dropped passes. Through his time in the league he has markedly improved in both areas by the end of last season. You don't build a quality team top to bottom by getting rid of guys that are still on their rookie contract that have shown some promise. Can anyone legitimately tell me another team in the NFL that has a better #2 TE than David Njoku? Maybe Tampa Bay? Who else? He is entering his 4th year and is only 24 years old. Lets see how he does after returning to the same offense and same coaching staff for the first time in his career. If he keeps improving he has the traits to be one of the best TEs in the NFL, which would give us an even more dynamic offense. We still have the available 5th year option as well. If I were the HC or GM I would have told Njoku flat out, we aren't trading you, we want you to be here, and believe that you can be a key piece in this offense, but we want you to prove it. The more weapons we have to create mismatches the better off we will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: As much as I cannot stand the Steelers, I hope we get to the point where we have luck with receivers like they've had over the past 20 years. We are way too emotionally tied to a lot of these guys when in reality, some of them can be replaced or even upgraded with a 3rd round guy and on a rookie contract at that. Yep. WR and LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Yep. WR and LB When we start doing that, this is when we start evolving as an organization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: When we start doing that, this is when we start evolving as an organization And then letting those guys walk because our "next guys up" are that good...and we start netting comp picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, DaWg_LB. said: Rant Concluded. I'll be darned if I don't love me a good Dawg-LB rant!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 8 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: As much as I cannot stand the Steelers, I hope we get to the point where we have luck with receivers like they've had over the past 20 years. We are way too emotionally tied to a lot of these guys when in reality, some of them can be replaced or even upgraded with a 3rd round guy and on a rookie contract at that. And this is the draft to do just that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 8 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Yep and outside of jeddrick our entire draft class last year is still a huge question mark. They did very little. We can’t afford to hope those guys work out and pass on good free agents that will help us right now. the same for every other team Are draft WAS GRATED AT A MINUS at the end of the year. How many 6th round picks out performed Donovan peoples jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, mtmmike said: the same for every other team Are draft WAS GRATED AT A MINUS at the end of the year. How many 6th round picks out performed Donovan peoples jones? Yes he was good. And WR is not a need this offseason. But we drafted a Lb (Phillips) he was terrible. Delpit didn’t play a snap. Harris got pushed around like a child. And Elliot did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Yes he was good. And WR is not a need this offseason. But we drafted a Lb (Phillips) he was terrible. Delpit didn’t play a snap. Harris got pushed around like a child. And Elliot did nothing. yes he was the best 6th rounder selected this year period that makes this draft a b mitchell makes the all rookie team that makes this draft a A. And I will call it right now Phillips turns out to be better linebacker then Queen who was selected in the 1st round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here'sJim Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/03/greedy-williams-opens-up-about-his-dead-shoulder-hurtful-fake-injury-attacks-and-plans-to-shock-the-world-in-21.html Well, looks like Greedy will be back, but not ever at a 100% again. Sucks. I had a similar injury in high school and my shoulder is still messed up to this day. Hopefully he can manage with what he gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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