onejayhawk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 hours ago, kingseanjohn said: Current DE on the roster: Frank Clark, Carlos Basham, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Taco Charlton, Mike Danna, Tim Ward, Demone Harris, Tyler Clark, Austin Edwards. I can't see us keeping more than 5 DE and I think our top 5 are pretty set from Clark to Danna. Only Kpass and Taco are FA in 2022 (out of the 5). Wharton is listed at DE. I think that's a mistake so I didn't include him. Current OLB on roster: Hitchens, Wilson, Gay, DOD, Harris. After the top three the talent is questionable. Plus only Hitchens and Gay are under contract in 2022. Current ILB on roster: McGrone, Whitehead, Cobb, Smith. Only McGrone is under contract in 2022. I agree that DE likely has BPA over LB going for it, but LB is the better long term selection imo. That said, my vote is CB Ambry Thomas I count four DE Clark, TK, Danna, Basham. Taco is a spot player. The others are camp fodder. One more is definitely reasonable. 5 hours ago, KC_Guy said: Just a thought before logging off for today: After this pick we still have SIX picks left. It may be wise to check if we could package some to get players that really help filling needs. Some examples: 143 + 179 -> 120 143 + 201 -> 128 163 + 179 ->129 163 + 201 -> 142 What needs can be filled at this point in the draft? Seriously, other than depth and developmental players, what's left? Unless they are a specialist, kicker, or we do a L'Jarious Sneed they won't start and may not play much. So, BPA to the end. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: I count four DE Clark, TK, Danna, Basham. Taco is a spot player. The others are camp fodder. One more is definitely reasonable. We should have waited on Taco if he wasn’t a guarantee to make the roster. With his contract he’s guaranteed to be the 5th DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 For the remaining picks. I think we should target BPA while taking the 2022 depth chart into account. LB. O’Daniel UFA. Target someone to replace O’Daniel this year and future years. OL: Kilgore/LDT/Rankin UFA. Target someone to sit as the 10th OL who can serve as depth next year. S: Watts UFA. Target someone who can replace Watts this year and future years DT: Nnadi UFA. Could really use a backup 1T. I get the sense Nnadi may be our most underrated DL. We have Saunders, but he’s still unknown. CB: Ward UFA. Keyes is an option, but we could still use another developmental guy. RB: The Williams brothers UFA. If a guy is there, not against kicking Thompson to the curb this year to solve a future need. Aside from this a KR/PR is certainty in the mix. Getting a depth guy at any of these positions reduces our needs for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC_Guy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Most needed at this point in my opinion: OT, OG and CB, with LB a fourth. Drafting a return guy I absolutely agree with. There's still a bit of FA left that can help. I mentioned a few names before. Cap stands at close to 3 M$ with approx 750 k$ coming off the book with each guy signed and more cap becoming available with each draft pick. That should allow for at minimum one 2.5 M$ contract and 2 vet min deals. I think there some at least decent backup OG and OLB available. Will have a look into OT over the day ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 11 hours ago, samsel23 said: We should have waited on Taco if he wasn’t a guarantee to make the roster. With his contract he’s guaranteed to be the 5th DE. He'll make the roster. What he won't make is the rotation. 9 hours ago, KC_Guy said: Most needed at this point in my opinion: OT, OG and CB, with LB a fourth. Drafting a return guy I absolutely agree with. There's still a bit of FA left that can help. I mentioned a few names before. Cap stands at close to 3 M$ with approx 750 k$ coming off the book with each guy signed and more cap becoming available with each draft pick. That should allow for at minimum one 2.5 M$ contract and 2 vet min deals. I think there some at least decent backup OG and OLB available. Will have a look into OT over the day ... If we want a return guy, go for Ihmir Smith-Marsette. He is a potential front line WR, with the red flag of being very skinny. At this point we can take on things like that. I get OT, but not OG. Our backup OT are better inside. For LB, I'm willing to wait. We need a coverage guy and they tend to slide. S over CB. Our defense puts more burden on our S and this is the part of the draft teams generally take them. At this point we have only depth issues. BPA should rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) No love for Jaelen Darden? He instantly becomes a top 5 returner and would take Hardman off some of those jet sweeps. BPA with the 2022 depth chart in mind is where I’m at. I’ll do a projected 53 man roster with contract lengths after the next round of FA. Edited March 3, 2021 by samsel23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I'm holding out for ISM until someone takes him. Darden does give return value, just not nearly as much as a WR. Tutu Atwell also works and we could make him one of those multi-tools like the Saints had in Darren Sproles. Like Sproles, you have to limit the snaps, but the impact can be excellent. We have a long wait. Lets see what still on the board in 20 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, onejayhawk said:Darden does give return value, just not nearly as much as a WR. Are you sure? I realize it’s North Texas, but 74 receptions, 1,190 yards. 19 TD’s is insane for any level of D1. He did that in a 9 game season lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, samsel23 said: Are you sure? I realize it’s North Texas, but 74 receptions, 1,190 yards. 19 TD’s is insane for any level of D1. He did that in a 9 game season lol I agree, but see Tutu Atwell and the Darren Sproles comment. Both of them are too small to bulk up effectively. Ten pounds won't really help and 20 pounds is well over 10% of their weight. Both are insane good in space and struggle with any kind of contact. I can see either one, but perhaps not yet. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC_Guy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) A guy primarily as a returner in the fourth? Not a fan ... I do have a favorite here, samsel knows about it. But most likely won't be there at 143 ... And .. off for today ... Edited March 3, 2021 by KC_Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, KC_Guy said: A guy primarily as a returner in the fourth? Not a fan ... I do have a favorite here, samsel knows about it. But most likely won't be there at 143 ... If it's the guy I think you're talking about, I'm almost positive he will be there. He's listed very high in this order.. but this order is pretty messed up. Long day at work, I think I know who you're talking about... but not positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: I agree, but see Tutu Atwell and the Darren Sproles comment. Both of them are too small to bulk up effectively. Ten pounds won't really help and 20 pounds is well over 10% of their weight. Both are insane good in space and struggle with any kind of contact. I can see either one, but perhaps not yet. J The Sproles comment makes no sense to me tbh. His reps were limited at RB, never in the receiving game/return game. These guys would never be lined up in the backfield, or even close to being in a position that normally receives 20 touches per game. Though I wouldn't touch Atwell for another 2 rounds, I think Darden is that much better than him. Atwell and Smith-Marsette I would compare more to Hardman, they are decent with change of direction but win more with pure speed and taking away angles. Darden is fast, not as straight line fast. He's more in the Dante Hall mold that he's going to make the first guy missed virtually everytime. His doesnt' really need to bulk up to play the slot and return kicks. His weight looks bad because he's 5'9, but he's virtually the same size as TY Hilton and he would be no where near taking the snaps Hilton, nor lining up against #1 CB's every week like Hilton did the majority of his career. Edited March 3, 2021 by samsel23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Sproles was almost exclusively a return man early in his career, both KR and PR. He has more than 300 of each. He lead the league in PR yardage twice and once in KR yardage. The point is that he was listed as a RB, but used as RB, as slot receiver, even wide out on occasion. He would frequently be the motion man and was a major part of the passing game. In NO he had 70+ receptions all three years. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) Assuming we keep 6 WR in the 53: Hill, Hardman, Terry, Tate, Callaway, and Hodgins would be my current favorites. Tate, only because of the signing bonus. If we draft someone else, who do we drop? With CB Ambry Thomas gone, I don't see anyone left that isn't a 2+ year developmental guy. Not a big fan of the remaining S. RB Jermar Jefferson, Kylin Hill, and Jaret Patterson are the only remaining RB worth drafting imo. ILB KJ Britt and Paddy Fisher are the only ILB left whose potential I like Edge Rashad Hamilcar and Patrick Johnson have good potential. They're listed at OLB, but they may be more DE for us. But that goes back to the DE #s game. There's a few developmental OL guys I like. I'll toss out names if they're available closer to our pick. Edited March 3, 2021 by kingseanjohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 57 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: Sproles was almost exclusively a return man early in his career, both KR and PR. He has more than 300 of each. He lead the league in PR yardage twice and once in KR yardage. The point is that he was listed as a RB, but used as RB, as slot receiver, even wide out on occasion. He would frequently be the motion man and was a major part of the passing game. In NO he had 70+ receptions all three years. J I was more confused on the you’d have to limit their snaps similar to Sproles. Sproles was limited at RB, not any of the others. And none of them would ever be in the backfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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