2021 Free Agents - Current Lions and possible future Lions

[Millenhater]

He’s not a free agent, but I bet we could trade for Lattimore.  The Saints are like -$100 million in salary cap and will need to move contracts to free up salary cap space.  Maybe a 2022 1st (and maybe Oruwaryie) for Lattimore.  

I think i’d Make that trade.  

[flyguy1609]

6 hours ago, Millenhater said:

He’s not a free agent, but I bet we could trade for Lattimore.  The Saints are like -$100 million in salary cap and will need to move contracts to free up salary cap space.  Maybe a 2022 1st (and maybe Oruwaryie) for Lattimore.  

I think i’d Make that trade.  

include him in a stafford trade to no? Lattimore & okudah as our cb duo of the future??

[diehardlionfan]

On 1/21/2021 at 2:32 PM, Karnage84 said:

He is pretty much what I had expected. He's going to be the rah rah guy that should bring people together. 

His message is really not that much different than Patricia's. It feels like the team was happy with the message that Patricia was sending but the delivery and the messenger was the wrong one. 

There is no question, he's going to survive or die based on the quality of his coordinators and other assistants. He hasn't been a play caller so he can't fall back on that if things go south. I do think that players will relate more to his message than with Patricia, even if it's the same or close. He has been in their shoes before, even in Detroit. He does know exactly how the community views this team and how we are viewed outside. If he asks someone to do something or if he is calling someone out, it's because he knows exactly what it is like. It feels like guys will just look at him and automatically have more respect as opposed to Patricia and his appearance/health.

His professional experience is at a position that is one of the least important on the field, which again emphasizes the importance of really good coordinators and coaches. 

I'm not sure what to think about the departure of a few key position coaches - Sean Ryan leaving for the same role, Hank Fraley rumoured to be looking elsewhere, Coombs being fired before the end of the season despite having a top ST unit. It's also a bit concerning on the amount of time it has been in announcing our OC/DC. Glenn has just been announced but it's a little concerning that it took that long to lock him up. 

I wasn’t impressed with his presser. It sounded many alarm bells for me. 

[Millenhater]

3 hours ago, flyguy1609 said:

include him in a stafford trade to no? Lattimore & okudah as our cb duo of the future??

I thought about that but the Saints need to clear $100 million in cap space.  They can’t add Stafford cap number.  But I’d love Lattimore and Okudah as out starting CBS. That would awesome.

[Superduperman]

On 1/21/2021 at 1:09 PM, BZski said:

I agree! I think they give him an extension so they don’t have to hear trade questions for 2 years. I think it is clear we’re building around Stafford.

womp womp

[Karnage84]

20 minutes ago, Superduperman said:

womp womp

I never expected (wanted, yes) him to come back. It just didn't make sense with all of the roster questions. 

It sounds like we'll be moving towards a 4-3 on defense, which is going to take a bit to turnover that part of the roster and find the guys to fit it, we needed to add weapons on offense and/or re-sign key guys like KG, Stafford is 33 and has probably a good 5-6 years of football left in him. Unless he really wanted to be here, it just didn't make a ton of sense for him to go through yet another coaching change and roster turnover at his age. 

I'd be banging the drum to go to Indy if I am him. 

- 8 Home games in a dome

- 3 division away games in warm weather climates (no trips to Chicago and Green Bay in November/December

- 2/3 division opponents are teams in transition

[Lions017]

I don't see Golladay coming back. Maybe the front office will feel a bit risky and try to do a tag and trade deal with him. 

Jones kinda sounded like he was gone too. If that's the case...we really need a veteran WR or two. 

There are a bunch of good ones this year, actually, that should come in quite a bit cheaper than Kenny G. Curtis Samuel, Corey Davis are both young and have produced but have the potential for more. Allen Robinson and JuJu are both going to be expensive, but could actually be cheaper than Golladay if he's really looking for money. 

You can always grab a guy like AJ Green or TY Hilton on a one-year "prove it" deal and hope that they still have something left in the tank too. Then there's guys you can bring in for depth like Breshad Perriman, Willie Snead, Josh Reynolds, etc. 

[SimbaWho]

Does anyone think Lions should be a player in the Dak Prescott sweepstakes after moving Stafford? Guys, 27. 5-6 year deal lines well with this current Staff. Not as much of a gamble as trading up/drafting a rookie either. Likely will have to break the bank, but tons of money can fall off the following years so not a huge deal outside of just this season.

Stafford trade will bring in solid pieces to draft with, assuming at least another 1st rdp.

Just an idea, could get this team competing in 1-2 years for a playoff spot, imo.

I mean I might bend the knee if they could pull off Dak Prescott, Devonta Smith and Najee Harris this offseason.

Edited January 26, 2021 by SimbaWho

[Sllim Pickens]

20 minutes ago, SimbaWho said:

Does anyone think Lions should be a player in the Dak Prescott sweepstakes after moving Stafford? Guys, 27. 5-6 year deal lines well with this current Staff. Not as much of a gamble as trading up/drafting a rookie either. Likely will have to break the bank, but tons of money can fall off the following years so not a huge deal outside of just this season.

Stafford trade will bring in solid pieces to draft with, assuming at least another 1st rdp.

Just an idea, could get this team competing in 1-2 years for a playoff spot, imo.

I mean I might bend the knee if they could pull off Dak Prescott, Devonta Smith and Najee Harris this offseason.

I've thought about this.  Could send Stafford to Dallas for their 1st + and then just sign Dak.  Would still be tough to build a team as it seems the best teams have lower priced QBs on rookie deals.  Once the QB takes up so much cap, it is hard to put the right pieces around them unless you really hit on draft picks well above league average. 

[SimbaWho]

5 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I've thought about this.  Could send Stafford to Dallas for their 1st + and then just sign Dak.  Would still be tough to build a team as it seems the best teams have lower priced QBs on rookie deals.  Once the QB takes up so much cap, it is hard to put the right pieces around them unless you really hit on draft picks well above league average. 

Mahomes/Rodgers/Wilson/Allen/Goff/Roethlisburger all have big contracts and those teams make playoffs consistently.

 

An I do get your point too. Way easier to build a team with a good rookie. But thats always the risk right? Picking the right rookie and him being actually good.

 

Just something I'm personally rolling around in my head.

[Sllim Pickens]

1 minute ago, SimbaWho said:

Mahomes/Rodgers/Wilson/Allen/Goff/Roethlisburger all have big contracts and those teams make playoffs consistently.

 

An I do get your point too. Way easier to build a team with a good rookie. But thats always the risk right? Picking the right rookie and him being actually good.

 

Just something I'm personally rolling around in my head.

Mahomes and Allen do not have huge contracts. Mahomes counted 5.3M against the cap this year, Allen 5.9M, and Brady has always taken discounts and only cost 25M this year.  Wilson won a SB when he was on a rookie deal, since then they have blown up that amazing D because they couldnt keep everyone.  It will be interesting to see what happens with the Chiefs and Bills now that their QBs will cost more of the cap.  Dak will cost in the upper 30s.  It will be tough to build around a player making that percentage of the cap, especially when we have some other bad deals we have to take care of. 

[Superduperman]

I have to agree, the whole strategy of trading Stafford in the first place is to get a young QB with a 5 year window of lesser money. That's how you rebuild a roster. I'm not a fan of Dak anyway, but I'd even think twice about Watson for that reason.

[SimbaWho]

Fair enough about this year with Cheifs/Bills. But it's a tough sell suggesting they're gonna fall off because they paid those guys. 

Wilson has kept the Seashawks teams competitive through a rebuild. They've replaced their secondary cause guys got older, or retired, Shermans the only noteable that left really for money and I believe some personality clashes might of also had to do with something(Sherman/Russell)

Really, the point of our argument here should be. How good is Dak Prescott? Top 5? Top 10? 

An can you win with that guy when you have 66 million the next offseason, and the ability to free up 24 million easily. Essentially 90 million to build around Prescott, this years draft/offseason and next years draft. 

The opportunity is huge for the Lions the next one - three years. 

And really I'm with you about the rookie QB, I'm just playing devils wahtever ever. What if you pick the wrong guy or the cost to move up mortgages Lions draft/future. 

[Sllim Pickens]

10 minutes ago, SimbaWho said:

Fair enough about this year with Cheifs/Bills. But it's a tough sell suggesting they're gonna fall off because they paid those guys. 

Wilson has kept the Seashawks teams competitive through a rebuild. They've replaced their secondary cause guys got older, or retired, Shermans the only noteable that left really for money and I believe some personality clashes might of also had to do with something(Sherman/Russell)

Really, the point of our argument here should be. How good is Dak Prescott? Top 5? Top 10? 

An can you win with that guy when you have 66 million the next offseason, and the ability to free up 24 million easily. Essentially 90 million to build around Prescott, this years draft/offseason and next years draft. 

The opportunity is huge for the Lions the next one - three years. 

And really I'm with you about the rookie QB, I'm just playing devils wahtever ever. What if you pick the wrong guy or the cost to move up mortgages Lions draft/future. 

Wilson and Rodgers have good regular seasons but when is the last time they won a Super Bowl.  He has kept them relevant but they aren't winning championships because football is the ultimate team sport.  And the Chiefs will have to adjust, and they are going to lose free agents because of it.  Mahomes will keep them relevant but he is a generational talent.  Goff and the Rams had great teams when he was on his rookie deal and have struggled to repeat that since he took up another 15M, which is about what a really good pass rusher would cost plus a decent LB.  The Eagles won when they had Wentz on a rookie deal and since paying him have fallen off.  Yes there are other factors, but losing out on two good starters to pay your QB can really hurt your team.  

With Dak, he is probably a top 10 QB who played behind a good OL and had a great RB and great WRs.  I am not sure that happens with out team, so I'd be skeptical paying him 30+ coming off an injury.  

Drafting a rookie is always a risk, but have to trust your guys to develop them.  Its riskier moving up, so I am less excited about doing that unless we pretty much just use Stafford to move up and dont mortgage our future. 

[SimbaWho]

14 minutes ago, Superduperman said:

I have to agree, the whole strategy of trading Stafford in the first place is to get a young QB with a 5 year window of lesser money. That's how you rebuild a roster. I'm not a fan of Dak anyway, but I'd even think twice about Watson for that reason.

Yeah, idk, It's just philosophy I guess. Who do I tie my career to if I'm the Lions brass? If you pick a bust at QB with rookie staff. Idk, that spells disaster early.

I'd prefer the known player vs unknown unless it's Trevor Lawrence. That's just if I'm actually running the show.

I also personally don't mind that idea of gambling on Kyle Wilson/Justin Fields but I feel like now we'll have to move up and give up assets for one of those guys. 

Either way Lions approach this I'm excited to watch it unfold.