AnAngryAmerican Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) On 6/6/2021 at 10:19 AM, jolly red giant said: 4. I don't agree that Fangio is a terrible game day coach - there are certainly issues regarding clock management - but his teams are very well prepared, never give up and do try and win. It is not easy to win games when you have the worst starting QB in the NFL, no matter how good your game day management is. Being well-prepared and playing hard are not part of game day coaching. Vic’s teams have done that, by and large, you’re right, but that’s not the crux of the issue. Game day coaching is about clock management, timeout management, in-game adjustments, knowing when to be aggressive and when to be conservative, things like that. In all of those areas Vic has been terrible. On that I don’t think there can be any debate. Edited June 7, 2021 by AnAngryAmerican 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Trade Candidates for the Broncos, not all will happen nor be likely but some some options that could add "darts" to next years drafts or be added to bring in better players for positions of need. RB Royce Freeman - When we signed Boone writing was on the wall, when we drafted Williams, it was in permanent marker WR Tim Patrick - Crowded room and Patrick is an UFA next year, if we can get a pick now while he's a valuable trade chip we should do it IMO. WR Dionte Spencer - One trick pony, his job can (and will ) be taken over by a better WR WR Damion Willis - Has some league experience, has good size, decent hands. Have heard his name a couple of times so far, getting noticed but still in a crowded position. OG Graham Glasgow - For the right offer, his salary is a bit high and we have players lining up to replace him already. He won't be around this team long-term so get some return if you can. OG/OC Austin Schlottmann - Broncos like him but a glut of IOL makes him a valuable replacement backup or expendable IMO. ILB Josh Watson - Probable will be shown the door with the Natrez Patrick signing but he's a ST stalwart and has some speed, a valuable backup. ILB Josey Jewell - Jewell has instincts, was steady in the middle but not enough speed for what Fangio wants at that position . Not likely traded but he goes for the right deal CB Bryce Callahan - For the money he makes along with his injury history, he could see our youth and depth usurp him. Callahan graded well but can't stay on the field, some CB desperate team could pull the trigger CB Essang Bassey - Young slot CBs are always needed, but Vincent Jr has more speed, better technique allowing a trade here P Sam Martin - Duffy can do what Martin does but at a cheaper cost, can save the Broncos about $2M if Duffy wins out. Just my opinions on these players, but can see it with all the new players Paton brought in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, AnAngryAmerican said: Being well-prepared and playing hard are not part of game day coaching. Vic’s teams have done that, by and large, you’re right, but that’s not the crux of the issue. Game day coaching is about clock management, timeout management, in-game adjustments, knowing when to be aggressive and when to be conservative, things like that. In all of those areas Vic has been terrible. On that I don’t think there can be any debate. I think even Fangio's biggest critics would concede has his team ready to play every week, and for the talent given, he's gotten more out of the D than anyone could reasonably expect. But yeah, in-game management, he's bottom 5 for sure. It's not just like it's 1-2x, it's been a recurring them, both at end of 1H, and end of game, and in key decisions where it's on the HC to make the final call. Honestly, Fangio really needs to just let another guy do that part of the job (in-game overall management, there are teams that actually get extra help for the HC) - it's not like he's likely to suddenly change his stripes at this stage of his coaching career. The thing is, game management is often the difference between winning & losing with closely matched teams. It's certainly a big part of the equation why we couldn't make the leap with Fox as HC during the peak Peyton years (AFCG Bal...ugh). Kubiak made all the right calls in our 2015 run, for all the greatness of that No Fly Zone D, Kubiak didn't hamstring the team with bad game management, either. For a team that's rebuilding, though - game management weaknesses aren't a killer by itself. A coach that builds the foundation is more important. But if we do think the team is ready to take a big step forward - then game management matters a ton now. So it's safe to say Fangio can't be as bad as he's been in this area, if he wants to coach beyond 2021. Edited June 7, 2021 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, Broncofan said: I think even Fangio's biggest critics would concede has his team ready to play every week, and for the talent given, he's gotten more out of the D than anyone could reasonably expect. But yeah, in-game management, he's bottom 5 for sure. It's not just like it's 1-2x, it's been a recurring them, both at end of 1H, and end of game, and in key decisions where it's on the HC to make the final call. Honestly, Fangio really needs to just let another guy do that part of the job (in-game overall management, there are teams that actually get extra help for the HC) - it's not like he's likely to suddenly change his stripes at this stage of his coaching career. The thing is, game management is often the difference between winning & losing with closely matched teams. It's certainly a big part of the equation why we couldn't make the leap with Fox as HC during the peak Peyton years (AFCG Bal...ugh). Kubiak made all the right calls in our 2015 run, for all the greatness of that No Fly Zone D, Kubiak didn't hamstring the team with bad game management, either. For a team that's rebuilding, though - game management weaknesses aren't a killer by itself. A coach that builds the foundation is more important. But if we do think the team is ready to take a big step forward - then game management matters a ton now. So it's safe to say Fangio can't be as bad as he's been in this area, if he wants to coach beyond 2021. Personally I think the bolded is the right call. In game management is not something he's good at or will ever be IMO. That's not what he's excelled at or been asked to do during his career. So, find someone that does and put him on the sideline on Sundays. He's really shown to be so good at team preparedness, player development and defensive scheming he'd be a very tough act to follow in those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, AKRNA said: Personally I think the bolded is the right call. In game management is not something he's good at or will ever be IMO. That's not what he's excelled at or been asked to do during his career. So, find someone that does and put him on the sideline on Sundays. He's really shown to be so good at team preparedness, player development and defensive scheming he'd be a very tough act to follow in those areas. Sorry, but aren't those the skillset of a Defensive Coordinator, not a Head Coach ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cutler06 said: Sorry, but aren't those the skillset of a Defensive Coordinator, not a Head Coach ?? Only the last part but really, there aren't too many HC's that don't run one side of the ball or the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) For a guy with his quicks, he was really used poorly in the SEA scheme (off-ball LB in a 4-3). He shined in pass coverage coming out of college, and has the quicks to be a speed pass rusher on 3rd down. Given the timing, can't imagine it's more than a vet-min opp, but other than the obvious feel-good PR angle, would be an interesting no-risk signing. Edited June 14, 2021 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 12:32 PM, Broncofan said: For a guy with his quicks, he was really used poorly in the SEA scheme (off-ball LB in a 4-3). He shined in pass coverage coming out of college, and has the quicks to be a speed pass rusher on 3rd down. Given the timing, can't imagine it's more than a vet-min opp, but other than the obvious feel-good PR angle, would be an interesting no-risk signing. Did he get signed? Maybe along with the quicks he needs to get harder so he can explode all over the competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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