MookieMonstah Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 17 hours ago, FrantikRam said: How can the Saints possibly get under the cap? I can't see it. * @Dome posted this in the Saints forum* Saints are currently $95,000,000 in the hole for 2021. First, the Saints can cut a handful of non-essential, but important players to relieve a large chunk of that $95 million. All of these guys are going to be sorely missed, for one reason or another. Saints cuts:Kwon Alexander - $13.4m saved Janoris Jenkins - $7m saved Nick Easton - $6m saved Malcolm Brown - $5m saved Patrick Robinson - $2.6m saved Josh Hill - $2.6m saved Thomas Morstead - $2.5m saved The loss of Kwon and Jenkins will hurt our defense, but we all knew 2021 was going to hurt us somewhere. Malcolm Brown has been a strong presence in the middle for us, but we have done well finding and developing talent on the defensive line, he is replaceable. Nick Easton was a solid reserve but can be replaced for a fraction of the price, same with Josh Hill and and Patrick Robinson. This brings the cap room the Saints need to clear to a measly $56,000,000 The Saints can restructure many core key players and push their cap implications into more cash rich seasons, especially for players expected to remain with us for the long haul like Thomas, Ony, Peat and likely Jordan.Cam Jordan converts $10.825m base salary and $1.9m roster bonus, saving $9.618m in 2021 Michael Thomas converts $11.6m base salary, saving $8.857m in 2021 Terron Armstead converts $9.07m base salary and $1.5m roster bonus, saving $6.783m in 2021 Emmanuel Sanders converts $4.925m base salary and $2m roster bonus, saving $3.462m in 2021 David Onyemata converts $6.01m base salary and $500k roster bonus, saving $4.34m in 2021 Andrus Peat converts $8m base salary saving $6m in 2021 Demario Davis converts $1.625m base salary and $3.6m roster bonus, saving $3.918m in 2021 Malcolm Jenkins converts $5.125m base salary, saving $3.416m in 2021 Latavius Murray converts $1.857m base salary and $350k roster bonus, saving $1.037m in 2021 With these moves, the Saints are only $9,000,000 in the hole, but quickly heading into the 2021 free agency period. Ryan Ramczyk and Marshon Lattimore can both be extended, taking large portions of their combined $21.3m and pushing them into future years as well. For simplicity sake we'll say they both take contracts with small base salaries in 2021, saving us an additional $12m between the two extensions. This would give the Saints $3,000,000 in cap space before free agency began, they could attempt to re-sign Marcus Williams or Trey Hendrickson if either was willing to work out a deal that lowered their hit for 2021. At this point they would also need to decide if they should cut Brees loose then and there to save $13.5m, or if they wanted to wait until June 1st to receive the rewards of his release and gain $25m after the free-agency period frenzy had ended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, MookieMonstah said: * @Dome posted this in the Saints forum* People with a better understanding of contracts and NFL salary cap rigging have found even more money to save than I did there as well. salary cap is fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, Dome said: People with a better understanding of contracts and NFL salary cap rigging have found even more money to save than I did there as well. salary cap is fake Its very fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 We talking a legitimate contender for a title or just a good play off team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: Saints are currently $95,000,000 in the hole for 2021. You did a hell of a job working that all out. And my sympathies go out to you and your fellow saints fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asciimo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: * @Dome posted this in the Saints forum* Saints are currently $95,000,000 in the hole for 2021. First, the Saints can cut a handful of non-essential, but important players to relieve a large chunk of that $95 million. All of these guys are going to be sorely missed, for one reason or another. Saints cuts:Kwon Alexander - $13.4m saved Janoris Jenkins - $7m saved Nick Easton - $6m saved Malcolm Brown - $5m saved Patrick Robinson - $2.6m saved Josh Hill - $2.6m saved Thomas Morstead - $2.5m saved The loss of Kwon and Jenkins will hurt our defense, but we all knew 2021 was going to hurt us somewhere. Malcolm Brown has been a strong presence in the middle for us, but we have done well finding and developing talent on the defensive line, he is replaceable. Nick Easton was a solid reserve but can be replaced for a fraction of the price, same with Josh Hill and and Patrick Robinson. This brings the cap room the Saints need to clear to a measly $56,000,000 The Saints can restructure many core key players and push their cap implications into more cash rich seasons, especially for players expected to remain with us for the long haul like Thomas, Ony, Peat and likely Jordan.Cam Jordan converts $10.825m base salary and $1.9m roster bonus, saving $9.618m in 2021 Michael Thomas converts $11.6m base salary, saving $8.857m in 2021 Terron Armstead converts $9.07m base salary and $1.5m roster bonus, saving $6.783m in 2021 Emmanuel Sanders converts $4.925m base salary and $2m roster bonus, saving $3.462m in 2021 David Onyemata converts $6.01m base salary and $500k roster bonus, saving $4.34m in 2021 Andrus Peat converts $8m base salary saving $6m in 2021 Demario Davis converts $1.625m base salary and $3.6m roster bonus, saving $3.918m in 2021 Malcolm Jenkins converts $5.125m base salary, saving $3.416m in 2021 Latavius Murray converts $1.857m base salary and $350k roster bonus, saving $1.037m in 2021 With these moves, the Saints are only $9,000,000 in the hole, but quickly heading into the 2021 free agency period. Ryan Ramczyk and Marshon Lattimore can both be extended, taking large portions of their combined $21.3m and pushing them into future years as well. For simplicity sake we'll say they both take contracts with small base salaries in 2021, saving us an additional $12m between the two extensions. This would give the Saints $3,000,000 in cap space before free agency began, they could attempt to re-sign Marcus Williams or Trey Hendrickson if either was willing to work out a deal that lowered their hit for 2021. At this point they would also need to decide if they should cut Brees loose then and there to save $13.5m, or if they wanted to wait until June 1st to receive the rewards of his release and gain $25m after the free-agency period frenzy had ended. ah so just keep kicking the can until the organization is forced to dissolve because it can't afford to pay all these people's salaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asciimo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: Its very fake so fake that you guys have to cut 7 players, hope brees retires, hope players agree to extensions, and hope players agree to restructure. 😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Now, time for my crappy two cents worth... [sigh] Saints: screwed at QB and of course, the cap. Will we even recognize them in 2021? Eagles: screwed at QB but not a bad org. They may bounce back a bit. Just don't expect them in the SB next year. Steelers: Great org, who is the QB? Ben is not going to help the Steelers get back to glory any time soon. He's been beaten up so badly over the years It is no wonder that he is beginning to show it. Get him a runner! Patriots: Plenty of cap room. Many COVID players returning. The QB situation is a problem. But I think they have the best chances because they have already had a year getting used to the bad QB situation. Yaimahomergopats 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Asciimo said: so fake that you guys have to cut 7 players, hope brees retires, hope players agree to extensions, and hope players agree to restructure. 😕 Cut 7 players that were likely getting cut anyway, most of whom aren’t good anymore or are injured. Brees will retire most likely, but yes if he doesn’t Saints are in much more trouble. Why wouldn’t guys agree to extend and get a raise? They get the same amount of money, guys restructure constantly in the NFL. I’ll bet you the Saints get under the cap with no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Asciimo said: ah so just keep kicking the can until the organization is forced to dissolve because it can't afford to pay all these people's salaries. You kick it a year, and the salary cap returns to normal and they’re fine lol. The NFL salary cap is hilariously easy to work around. I mean Dome clearly outlined how the Saints can get under the cap and he doesn’t even know many of the tactics and strategies actual GMs know and understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asciimo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, MookieMonstah said: You kick it a year, and the salary cap returns to normal and they’re fine lol. The NFL salary cap is hilariously easy to work around. I mean Dome clearly outlined how the Saints can get under the cap and he doesn’t even know many of the tactics and strategies actual GMs know and understand. any team can do it by mortgaging their future. most teams want to stay competitive every year, so they don't. the proposed cap moves are terrible for the saints imo. they have no realistic shot of competing right now without a franchise QB. win now mode, but they can't win? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Asciimo said: any team can do it by mortgaging their future. most teams want to stay competitive every year, so they don't. the proposed cap moves are terrible for the saints imo. they have no realistic shot of competing right now without a franchise QB. win now mode, but they can't win? They won in spite of Brees all year. His arm is completely shot and he was very clearly not 100%. The defense is elite. Barring major injury I’d bet a lot of money the Saints go 10-6 with Winston at QB. The salary cap is a joke, and the Saints will prove that when they get above the cap this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 38 minutes ago, Split the Sticks said: You did a hell of a job working that all out. And my sympathies go out to you and your fellow saints fans. I didn’t, Dome did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Eagles they have a long term answer at QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) New Orleans by a mile. Brees was average this season if we're being generous, yet they still easily could've been playing to go to the Superbowl. No reason to see them not competing next season if they can find even an average QB as a stopgap. They've got some cap issues, but they're also among the best at finding nobodies and making somebody out of them. A little cap wizardry, they're still among the best in 2021. THE best? Probably not. But plenty competitive. Edited February 5, 2021 by ronjon1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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