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On 2/13/2021 at 6:34 AM, USADave said:

Rodgers is incredible but give me prime Manning.  Is Mannings Prime starting to slip out of peoples minds?  The man was a spectacle and the beginning of the modern passing era. 

It's because with Rodgers they will blame anyone but him why the Packers failed to win another SB and back that up with raw stats like QBR and passer rating and not really understanding situational football. This is why some call him the most talented ever and ignore the things he is not good at. A major reason why he comes up short in the biggest games. 

Somehow Manning has been this 'choker' over the years but he has been in 4 SBs with 4 different coaches and he might have won 4 if not for the 03/04 Patriots. And lets not forget, Manning was not drafted into a quality franchise. He didn't get to sit 3 years behind a legend, he was thrown into the fire. Manning is the 2nd greatest QB in NFL history and its not even close.

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On 2/12/2021 at 10:26 PM, lancerman said:

Plays not players. And there's a ton. Some guy did a break down on Youtube awhile dissecting plays and there was a thread on here about it. Good QB commentators like Romo and Aikman have pointed it out in games. He's not really that great at reading defenses and sticking with play concepts and way too often blows up plays by bailing and trying to force something. Physically he's one of the best ever, but he's not one of the best at understanding the position.

lol I would love to see this video you’re referencing. 

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On 2/13/2021 at 8:26 AM, lancerman said:

Plays not players. And there's a ton. Some guy did a break down on Youtube awhile dissecting plays and there was a thread on here about it. Good QB commentators like Romo and Aikman have pointed it out in games. He's not really that great at reading defenses and sticking with play concepts and way too often blows up plays by bailing and trying to force something. Physically he's one of the best ever, but he's not one of the best at understanding the position. 

Top 3 is ridiculous for him. He has no argument over Brady/Montana/Manning whatsoever. Then you have guys like Marino/Unitas. 

Hell name one thing Rodgers is better at than a guy like Steve Young

Rodgers has flaws. But so does Manning. So does Brady. So does Montana. Literally every QB ever has flaws.

Manning threw over 10 interceptions in 16 out of 17 seasons. Rodgers has thrown over 10 interceptions twice in his entire career.

Manning threw 27 interceptions that were returned for TDs, including 4 in the playoffs. Rodgers has thrown 3 interceptions returned for TDs in his entire career. 0 in the playoffs.

They are both great QBs but Manning is just as flawed.

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I will never forget when the Titans kicked multiple onside kicks rather than kicking off to Manning:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241205011

While Rodgers has had seasons every bit as good as Manning's, it just felt different somehow.

Manning's teams were 4-1 in the AFCCG - only loss to Brady and the Patriots.

Rodgers teams are 1-4 in the NFCCG - three losses to the Jimmy G led Niners, Matt Ryan led Falcons (both games blow outs), Russell Wilson led Seahawks - then Brady's Bucs.

That's not necessarily on Rodgers, but, when splitting hairs...

Ultimately Manning just felt more dominant.

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On 2/12/2021 at 4:26 PM, lancerman said:

Plays not players. And there's a ton. Some guy did a break down on Youtube awhile dissecting plays and there was a thread on here about it. Good QB commentators like Romo and Aikman have pointed it out in games. He's not really that great at reading defenses and sticking with play concepts and way too often blows up plays by bailing and trying to force something. Physically he's one of the best ever, but he's not one of the best at understanding the position. 

Top 3 is ridiculous for him. He has no argument over Brady/Montana/Manning whatsoever. Then you have guys like Marino/Unitas. 

Hell name one thing Rodgers is better at than a guy like Steve Young

Playing quarterback.

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15 hours ago, FrantikRam said:

I will never forget when the Titans kicked multiple onside kicks rather than kicking off to Manning:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241205011

While Rodgers has had seasons every bit as good as Manning's, it just felt different somehow.

Manning's teams were 4-1 in the AFCCG - only loss to Brady and the Patriots.

Rodgers teams are 1-4 in the NFCCG - three losses to the Jimmy G led Niners, Matt Ryan led Falcons (both games blow outs), Russell Wilson led Seahawks - then Brady's Bucs.

That's not necessarily on Rodgers, but, when splitting hairs...

Ultimately Manning just felt more dominant.

Manning lost 2 AFCC games to NE while he was a Colt (he was victorious against NE in 2013 but lost in the SB to Seattle).  In his career he is 3-4 in AFCC games.  Until he won a ring in 2015 the biggest knock on him by a lot of folks was his lack of success in the post season.  This seems to be the knock on Rodgers these days too.  (I find it incredible that people will reprove a QB who appears in the post season consistently, tbh.)  GB lost once to the 9ers in the NFCC game.  We also lost once to Seattle, Atlanta and just recently to Tampa.  

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You're basically talking 2004 Manning vs. 2011 Rodgers. I'd take Manning just due to his ability to read defenses and control the offense. Can't really say I'd blame anyone for taking Rodgers, though. 2004 Manning, 2011 Rodgers, 1984 Marino, 2007 Brady. Maybe 1989 Montana too. All of them are bunched together in that top tier of QB seasons that I think you could pick and choose any one of them.

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8 hours ago, Pugger said:

Manning lost 2 AFCC games to NE while he was a Colt (he was victorious against NE in 2013 but lost in the SB to Seattle).  In his career he is 3-4 in AFCC games.  Until he won a ring in 2015 the biggest knock on him by a lot of folks was his lack of success in the post season.  This seems to be the knock on Rodgers these days too.  (I find it incredible that people will reprove a QB who appears in the post season consistently, tbh.)  GB lost once to the 9ers in the NFCC game.  We also lost once to Seattle, Atlanta and just recently to Tampa.  

 

Not sure where you're getting your numbers from. Peyton's AFC Championship games:

2004 - lost to the Patriots

2007 - beat Patriots

2010 - beat Jets

2014 - beat Patriots

2016 - beat Patriots

 

Manning also won a ring in 2007.

The struggles you're referring to are also mostly just for his first few years - thing is, Manning started two playoff games before Rodgers was the starting QB in Green Bay.

 

And you have to realize that it's not knocking just any QB for a relative lack of playoff success - it's a QB who is one of the best of all time.

And for almost all of their careers, Manning had to deal with the GOAT while Rodgers had to deal with Eli Manning.

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