SBLIII Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 6:34 AM, USADave said: Rodgers is incredible but give me prime Manning. Is Mannings Prime starting to slip out of peoples minds? The man was a spectacle and the beginning of the modern passing era. It's because with Rodgers they will blame anyone but him why the Packers failed to win another SB and back that up with raw stats like QBR and passer rating and not really understanding situational football. This is why some call him the most talented ever and ignore the things he is not good at. A major reason why he comes up short in the biggest games. Somehow Manning has been this 'choker' over the years but he has been in 4 SBs with 4 different coaches and he might have won 4 if not for the 03/04 Patriots. And lets not forget, Manning was not drafted into a quality franchise. He didn't get to sit 3 years behind a legend, he was thrown into the fire. Manning is the 2nd greatest QB in NFL history and its not even close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riftty Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Manning and it isn't even close. The stat sheet might not show a huge gap. But there was legit fear of Manning when he stepped on the field. The dude was the definition of a field general. Edited February 14, 2021 by Riftty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Only argument for Rodgers is Green and Yellow sunglasses. This shouldn't even be a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Rodgers because of mobility. Can’t go wrong with either tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 10:26 PM, lancerman said: Plays not players. And there's a ton. Some guy did a break down on Youtube awhile dissecting plays and there was a thread on here about it. Good QB commentators like Romo and Aikman have pointed it out in games. He's not really that great at reading defenses and sticking with play concepts and way too often blows up plays by bailing and trying to force something. Physically he's one of the best ever, but he's not one of the best at understanding the position. lol I would love to see this video you’re referencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeightTheVillain Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 8:26 AM, lancerman said: Plays not players. And there's a ton. Some guy did a break down on Youtube awhile dissecting plays and there was a thread on here about it. Good QB commentators like Romo and Aikman have pointed it out in games. He's not really that great at reading defenses and sticking with play concepts and way too often blows up plays by bailing and trying to force something. Physically he's one of the best ever, but he's not one of the best at understanding the position. Top 3 is ridiculous for him. He has no argument over Brady/Montana/Manning whatsoever. Then you have guys like Marino/Unitas. Hell name one thing Rodgers is better at than a guy like Steve Young Rodgers has flaws. But so does Manning. So does Brady. So does Montana. Literally every QB ever has flaws. Manning threw over 10 interceptions in 16 out of 17 seasons. Rodgers has thrown over 10 interceptions twice in his entire career. Manning threw 27 interceptions that were returned for TDs, including 4 in the playoffs. Rodgers has thrown 3 interceptions returned for TDs in his entire career. 0 in the playoffs. They are both great QBs but Manning is just as flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Aaron Rodgers takes care of the football better than any QB I’ve ever seen. The dude has thrown single digit INTs for the last 10 seasons or so with quite a few of those seasons being 5 or less. there’s no question both are elite talents but I think would take Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 9:50 PM, DirtyDez said: Let’s do the ole’ switcheroo... Would Rodgers have had a better/worse/even career with Indy? Would Peyton have a better/worse/even career in Green Bay? Aaron Rodgers with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James....wowsers if only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I will never forget when the Titans kicked multiple onside kicks rather than kicking off to Manning: https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241205011 While Rodgers has had seasons every bit as good as Manning's, it just felt different somehow. Manning's teams were 4-1 in the AFCCG - only loss to Brady and the Patriots. Rodgers teams are 1-4 in the NFCCG - three losses to the Jimmy G led Niners, Matt Ryan led Falcons (both games blow outs), Russell Wilson led Seahawks - then Brady's Bucs. That's not necessarily on Rodgers, but, when splitting hairs... Ultimately Manning just felt more dominant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 4:26 PM, lancerman said: Plays not players. And there's a ton. Some guy did a break down on Youtube awhile dissecting plays and there was a thread on here about it. Good QB commentators like Romo and Aikman have pointed it out in games. He's not really that great at reading defenses and sticking with play concepts and way too often blows up plays by bailing and trying to force something. Physically he's one of the best ever, but he's not one of the best at understanding the position. Top 3 is ridiculous for him. He has no argument over Brady/Montana/Manning whatsoever. Then you have guys like Marino/Unitas. Hell name one thing Rodgers is better at than a guy like Steve Young Playing quarterback. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 15 hours ago, FrantikRam said: I will never forget when the Titans kicked multiple onside kicks rather than kicking off to Manning: https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241205011 While Rodgers has had seasons every bit as good as Manning's, it just felt different somehow. Manning's teams were 4-1 in the AFCCG - only loss to Brady and the Patriots. Rodgers teams are 1-4 in the NFCCG - three losses to the Jimmy G led Niners, Matt Ryan led Falcons (both games blow outs), Russell Wilson led Seahawks - then Brady's Bucs. That's not necessarily on Rodgers, but, when splitting hairs... Ultimately Manning just felt more dominant. Manning lost 2 AFCC games to NE while he was a Colt (he was victorious against NE in 2013 but lost in the SB to Seattle). In his career he is 3-4 in AFCC games. Until he won a ring in 2015 the biggest knock on him by a lot of folks was his lack of success in the post season. This seems to be the knock on Rodgers these days too. (I find it incredible that people will reprove a QB who appears in the post season consistently, tbh.) GB lost once to the 9ers in the NFCC game. We also lost once to Seattle, Atlanta and just recently to Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Soggust said: Playing quarterback. Wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 You're basically talking 2004 Manning vs. 2011 Rodgers. I'd take Manning just due to his ability to read defenses and control the offense. Can't really say I'd blame anyone for taking Rodgers, though. 2004 Manning, 2011 Rodgers, 1984 Marino, 2007 Brady. Maybe 1989 Montana too. All of them are bunched together in that top tier of QB seasons that I think you could pick and choose any one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Pugger said: Manning lost 2 AFCC games to NE while he was a Colt (he was victorious against NE in 2013 but lost in the SB to Seattle). In his career he is 3-4 in AFCC games. Until he won a ring in 2015 the biggest knock on him by a lot of folks was his lack of success in the post season. This seems to be the knock on Rodgers these days too. (I find it incredible that people will reprove a QB who appears in the post season consistently, tbh.) GB lost once to the 9ers in the NFCC game. We also lost once to Seattle, Atlanta and just recently to Tampa. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from. Peyton's AFC Championship games: 2004 - lost to the Patriots 2007 - beat Patriots 2010 - beat Jets 2014 - beat Patriots 2016 - beat Patriots Manning also won a ring in 2007. The struggles you're referring to are also mostly just for his first few years - thing is, Manning started two playoff games before Rodgers was the starting QB in Green Bay. And you have to realize that it's not knocking just any QB for a relative lack of playoff success - it's a QB who is one of the best of all time. And for almost all of their careers, Manning had to deal with the GOAT while Rodgers had to deal with Eli Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 7:14 PM, seminoles1 said: What? He's not wrong. Football Outsiders did that calculation. Many many people have '04 Manning as the greatest QB season ever. I personally have it #2 to '11 Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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