squire12 Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, cannondale said: News flash - you always draft based on need. Watt being from WI has nothing to do with being good, but it has everything to do with fans not letting go. In 2015 alone, the Packers could have had Collins, McKinney, Kendricks, Clark, Lockett, Johnson, Hunter, Smith, Alexander, Diggs, just to name a few of the Pro Bowlers. How come no one talks about that ?? Because they aren't from WI 32 minutes ago, squire12 said: GB needed a backup QB during the 2020 draft? 3 minutes ago, cannondale said: Don't get me started on that. And no, they didn't. But they needed a CB in 2015 So they always draft for need when it suits your narrative, but not when in doesn't? Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, squire12 said: So they always draft for need when it suits your narrative, but not when in doesn't? Makes sense. Seriously ? Narratives ? Obviously they perceived it as a need. What's your point ?? The Packers didn't take Watt. Neither did 29 other teams. Old news. They chose to upgrade Gunter instead of upgrading CMIII. Shocker. Edited February 18, 2021 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, vegas492 said: I'd take him back in a heartbeat at 3.5M for one year and let him play more man to man. The vibe I'm getting is there's more zone in our future than press man to man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, cannondale said: News flash - you always draft based on need. Watt being from WI has nothing to do with being good, but it has everything to do with fans not letting go. In 2015 alone, the Packers could have had Collins, McKinney, Kendricks, Clark, Lockett, Johnson, Hunter, Smith, Alexander, Diggs, just to name a few of the Pro Bowlers. How come no one talks about that ?? Because they aren't from WI Preach. So tired of hearing about him instead of anyone else ever. It's like he was the only other player in the draft 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 12 hours ago, packfanfb said: When you draft based on need you get burned more often than not. Also, what does Watt being from UW have anything to do with him being one of the best defensive players in the NFL right now? First off, we can stop pretending like we drafted an UDFA with the 33rd overall pick. I personally had Kevin King graded in a similar tier as T.J. Watt. Personally, I liked Watt a bit more, but they were close enough as prospects. Secondly, people are quick to forget that King was the prototypical CB specimen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 9 hours ago, cannondale said: News flash - you always draft based on need. Yes. And also no. When people talk about drafting for need, you're usually talking about where you ignore the tiers and you reach for someone who isn't as good of value. That isn't the case with Kevin King. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 8 hours ago, CWood21 said: Yes. And also no. When people talk about drafting for need, you're usually talking about where you ignore the tiers and you reach for someone who isn't as good of value. That isn't the case with Kevin King. Just curious, if Kevin King was supposed to be that good and a can't miss prospect .. what happened to him? Injuries, coaching, no football awareness? Whatever it is/was ... I'm just not seeing the results when compared to Watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, coachbuns said: Just curious, if Kevin King was supposed to be that good and a can't miss prospect .. what happened to him? Injuries, coaching, no football awareness? Whatever it is/was ... I'm just not seeing the results when compared to Watt. He was much more of a raw talent. Guys with his size and combine numbers at the CB position don't last until pick 33 unless there's a reason. King wasn't a dominant college player. The Packers made that pick hoping King would become a better pro player with the underlying size/skills. There's always risk there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, coachbuns said: Just curious, if Kevin King was supposed to be that good and a can't miss prospect .. what happened to him? Injuries, coaching, no football awareness? Whatever it is/was ... I'm just not seeing the results when compared to Watt. Why are you comparing them to begin with ?? It makes no sense. There is nothing linking the two players. Why not compare him to Reuben Foster or David Njoku or Cam Robinson ?? Edited February 19, 2021 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smidgeon Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, coachbuns said: Just curious, if Kevin King was supposed to be that good and a can't miss prospect .. what happened to him? Injuries, coaching, no football awareness? Whatever it is/was ... I'm just not seeing the results when compared to Watt. I'm assuming because he wasn't "can't miss". Like TJ wasn't "can't miss" despite the revisionist history developed since that draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 12:23 PM, moretti19 said: I have never been a fan of King but his performance for all to see might allow us to retain him for cheap. If we could get him 1 year for 4-5 mil then yes. I'm for moving on. In the 5 games that King missed with injury, the Packers pass defense did not suffer due to his absence. Only Deshaun Watson passed for more than 300 yards in those 5 games. Yes, I'm saying he was replaced by Josh Jackson with no discernable difference in the pass defense. The only way I'd bring him back would be if Barry is convinced that he can utilize King's talents in a better way than Pettine did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: The Packers made that pick hoping King would become a better pro player with the underlying size/skills. There's always risk there. The Packers selected King because they were desperate at the position - and obviously thought he had the goods and could deliver. The micro-dissection of his skills not with standing - he was far from a bum. If he could have stayed healthy for longer stretches of time - he in essence filled the need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 10 hours ago, CWood21 said: First off, we can stop pretending like we drafted an UDFA with the 33rd overall pick. I personally had Kevin King graded in a similar tier as T.J. Watt. Personally, I liked Watt a bit more, but they were close enough as prospects. Secondly, people are quick to forget that King was the prototypical CB specimen. I'm not Kevin King hype guy, but some people also act like he never played good football in his time in GB. That isn't true either. He had some solid play when he was healthy. Namely in 2019 with 5 Ints and a sack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, coachbuns said: Just curious, if Kevin King was supposed to be that good and a can't miss prospect .. what happened to him? Injuries, coaching, no football awareness? Whatever it is/was ... I'm just not seeing the results when compared to Watt. I mean, look at King's Combine numbers and tell me that isn't your prototypical CB specimen. The ball skills weren't really there, as he had more PDs in his senior year then he did his first 3 years combined. He also played in 3 different positions over the course of his last 3 years: boundary CB, nickel corner, and safety. In terms of technique, he was relying on raw athleticism and he was a bit handsy as a CB prospect. Neither him or Watt weren't "can't miss" prospects. They were both good prospects with enough concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 20 hours ago, cannondale said: Seriously ? Narratives ? Obviously they perceived it as a need. What's your point ?? The Packers didn't take Watt. Neither did 29 other teams. Old news. They chose to upgrade Gunter instead of upgrading CMIII. Shocker. Right. King was just as good of a CB prospect as Watt was an OLB prospect. Watt just panned out better. Kings not garbage, he belongs in the league, he’s just not a #1 corner. Sometimes your just wrong on a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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