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58 minutes ago, ET80 said:

Yeah, we saw how well that worked out for Dak Prescott...

He got paid $32m for 4.5 games and now gets to waive another right of QB contracts going up?

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7 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

Please stop saying this, He had a choice and made it. He could of easily went the Dak Prescott/ Kirk Cousins route instead. He Chose not to! He made the right decision financially and for long term family security.  Now suck it up and play.

What route are you talking about? Dak is not free and Kirk was let go because he wasnt good enough.

What does Dak control right now? They can franchise tag him again. 

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8 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

He got paid $32m for 4.5 games and now gets to waive another right of QB contracts going up?

Assuming he's going to get the same sort of deal that was on the table at first (he's not).

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6 minutes ago, ET80 said:

Assuming he's going to get the same sort of deal that was on the table at first (he's not).

I need coffee, my last sentence was all jacked up. 

But you are right. Hes not going to get the same as last year..... He is going to get even more than last year.

Even our front office has admitted it: "Dak bet on himself, and he won"

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7 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

But you are right. Hes not going to get the same as last year..... He is going to get even more than last year.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Just now, ET80 said:

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Him working for minimum wage would make me sleep at night. I am so confident about this, I would be willing to put a season long sig bet on it. Because here are the options.

  1. We lowball him, he refuses, our only recourse is to tag him.
  2. We let him walk and the open market gives him the big bucks.

The *only* way he gets paid less than the reported deals last year (basically the Goff deal with less GTD $$) is if the cap really does go down tremendously. 

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3 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Him working for minimum wage would make me sleep at night. I am so confident about this, I would be willing to put a season long sig bet on it. Because here are the options.

  1. We lowball him, he refuses, our only recourse is to tag him.
  2. We let him walk and the open market gives him the big bucks.

The *only* way he gets paid less than the reported deals last year (basically the Goff deal with less GTD $$) is if the cap really does go down tremendously. 

I don't have the time or patience to engage today, so we'll agree to disagree and wait for news to hit on the negotiation.

Sig bets don't really mean much to me, I post exclusively on mobile so I don't see anything regarding sigs. 

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The Dak Prescott route for Watson :

- waiting 2 years on rookie contract to get franchise tagged once and maybe twice.

Again, how is, not signing a mega deal in 2020, helping Deshaun Watson move to a different franchise in 2021?

I'll wait for some answers.

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7 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

Please stop saying this, He had a choice and made it. He could of easily went the Dak Prescott/ Kirk Cousins route instead. He Chose not to! He made the right decision financially and for long term family security.  Now suck it up and play.

Either way he wasn't leaving Houston for at least 4 seasons. The CBA gives players absolutely no incentive to not sign an extension because of the franchise tag, especially a QB with two ACL tears already.

You're technically right that he had a choice to not sign the extension...but he still would have been at the mercy of the Houston front office until  at least the summer of 2024.

What kind of choice is that? "Sign this extension for firm long-term security with a franchise you don't like, or don't sign the extension for firm long-term security with a franchise you don't like and we'll keep you around for at least 4 more years anyways. Or you get hurt again and you lose financial value"

I mean, so many options...

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I’ll say it again. People are missing the point when they asked why Watson would sign if he didn’t want to be here. All evidence actually points to him wanting to be here and trying to make it work. But everyone has their breaking point. 

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2 hours ago, Xenos said:

I’ll say it again. People are missing the point when they asked why Watson would sign if he didn’t want to be here. All evidence actually points to him wanting to be here and trying to make it work. But everyone has their breaking point. 

BOB blows 24-0 playoff lead vs. KC.   Watson says nothing

BOB doesn't get fired that offseason.   Watson says nothing.

BOB trades Nuk, signs 2 other WR's for same $.   Watson makes 1 post that's upset about Nuk leaving, then says nothing.

Watson has contract discussion - at which time, facing the 4-year handcuff HOU holds over him - makes 1 condition on signing (that can't be put into a contract with the CBA) - input and a say into the GM & HC hire.  That's it.  

Watson then goes through a 4-12 season with the team that BOB built and watches Nuk thrive in ARI.   Does not say anything.

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Meanwhile, HOU owner McNair goes with VP Easterby as the power broker, who does the following:

-fires the PR director Amy Palcic, who's won awards in the last 2 seasons, and loved by the players - for a celebration tweet after Kamala Harris becomes the first female VP elect.  "Bad culture fit" was the reason.   JJ Watt himself calls out HOU firing Amy - saying she's one of the best PR directors around (link - https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/jj-watt-joins-chorus-of-support-for-texans-executive-reportedly-fired-for-lack-of-cultural-fit-214753571.html)   Watson still says nothing.

-it's only when McNair and Easterby literally do the ONE thing they were supposed to get Watson's input on -  GM & HC hires - while he's away and out of town for the GM part, and the owner McNair also blatantly lies publicly about the extent of Watson's involvement (which he then has to back off on later on).  That's when Watson's finally speaks up.  It's only then that Watson finally decides enough is enough.   

-McNair & Easterby's attempt at placating Watson - is to hire a coach with a heavy faith-based background, who happens to also be a minority hire.   Also happens to have zero actual HC-worth qualifications.  

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You can blame Watson for signing - but let's not paint this like Watson had a simple choice last September.  He was locked into HOU for 4 more years with HOU having no guarantees, or he could extend.  He made input & involvement a condition of his signing - and back then, football-people were in charge of the decision-making.    Now we've got a faith-based VP who's calling the shots, and judging by the decisions being made, is making faith a HUGE part of the decision-making process.    Webby's rules means we can't debate the merits of this, and I get that.   But I think we can all agree when football-based evaluation isn't the main driver for decisions made by a football org, it's a dumpster fire.


Again, this is all covered in the SI piece from 2 weeks ago.  (Summary, there's actually more in the Dec. 10 piece too - https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/houston-hoodwinked-can-texans-owner-cal-mcnair-see-through-jack-easterby-ploys).

  Frankly, when you take a wide angle view, it's not surprising that the HOU fanbase hasn't come out against Watson - but against Easterby and the Mcnairs.   Usually at this stage the fanbase goes after the player wanting out.    It's pretty telling you don't get a whiff of that here.

The problem isn't Watson.   It's on Easterby & the McNairs, and while Watson owns 10 percent for being naive enough to believe McNair, it wasn't a simple decision.    This is pretty much all on HOU's joke of a FO, McNair & Easterby.  The only question is how much they can salvage this dumpster fire they've created.

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34 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

BOB blows 24-0 lead.   Watson says nothing

BOB doesn't get fired that offseason.   Watson says nothing.

BOB trades Nuk, signs 2 other WR's for same $.   Watson makes 1 post that's upset about Nuk leaving, then says nothing.

Watson has contract discussion - at which time, facing the 4-year handcuff HOU holds over him - makes 1 condition on signing (that can't be put into a contract with the CBA) - input and a say into the GM & HC hire.  That's it.  

Watson then goes through a 4-12 season with the team that BOB built and watches Nuk thrive in ARI.   Does not say anything.

____________________

Meanwhile, HOU owner McNair goes with VP Easterby as the power broker, who does the following:

-fires the PR director Amy Palcic, who's won awards in the last 2 seasons, and loved by the players - for a celebration tweet after Kamala Harris becomes the first VP elect.   JJ Watt himself calls out HOU firing Amy - saying she's one of the best PR directors around (link - https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/jj-watt-joins-chorus-of-support-for-texans-executive-reportedly-fired-for-lack-of-cultural-fit-214753571.html)   Watson still says nothing.

-it's only when McNair and Easterby literally do the ONE thing they were supposed to get Watson's input on -  GM & HC hires - while he's away and out of town for the GM part, and the owner McNair also blatantly lies publicly about the extent of Watson's involvement (which he then has to back off on later on).  It's only that Watson finally decides enough is enough.   

-McNair & Easterby's attempt at placating Watson - is to hire a coach with a heavy faith-based background, who happens to also be a minority hire.   Also happens to have zero actual HC-worth qualifications.  

___________________

 

You can blame Watson for signing - but let's not paint this like Watson had a simple choice last September.  He was locked into HOU for 4 more years with HOU having no guarantees, or he could extend.  He made input & involvement a condition of his signing - and back then, football-people were in charge of the decision-making.    Now we've got a faith-based VP who's calling the shots, and judging by the decisions being made, is making faith a HUGE part of the decision-making process.    Webby's rules means we can't debate the merits of this, and I get that.   But I think we can all agree when football-based evaluation isn't the main driver for decisions made by a football org, it's a dumpster fire.


Again, this is all covered in the SI piece from 2 weeks ago.  (Summary, there's actually more in the Dec. 10 piece too - https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/houston-hoodwinked-can-texans-owner-cal-mcnair-see-through-jack-easterby-ploys).

  Frankly, when you take a wide angle view, it's not surprising that the HOU fanbase hasn't come out against Watson - but against Easterby and the Mcnairs.   Usually at this stage the fanbase goes after the player wanting out.    It's pretty telling you don't get a whiff of that here.

The problem isn't Watson.   It's on Easterby & the McNairs, and while Watson owns 10 percent for being naive enough to believe McNair, it wasn't a simple decision.    This is pretty much all on HOU's joke of a FO, McNair & Easterby.  The only question is how much they can salvage this dumpster fire they've created.

All of this. Every single word.

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3 hours ago, evilpimp972 said:

The Dak Prescott route for Watson :

- waiting 2 years on rookie contract to get franchise tagged once and maybe twice.

Again, how is, not signing a mega deal in 2020, helping Deshaun Watson move to a different franchise in 2021?

I'll wait for some answers.

edit: nevermind, think I misunderstood your post 

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