rocky_rams Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, jrry32 said: I think Stafford will play well in McVay's system. But he's still Stafford. If you're going to make a Super Bowl or bust trade, you don't do it with an average QB. I clearly hold more hope for Goff's future than the Rams do. Maybe I'm naïve and blind. I guess we'll find out. That's my problem with this trade. If we're going all in, find a way to get Deshaun Watson. There was no way, otherwise they wouldve done it. Also, Peter Schrager mentioned that McVay fell in love with Stafford and wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: I agree, but if the 9ers get Watson, that means the Rams also just mortgaged the future for a short term window to get the 3rd best QB in their own division. Sure, but that cost is going to dwarf this trade, a cost other teams have in spades compared to the 9ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, CKSteeler said: One guy is in the top 5 all time in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. The other is Matt Stafford. You mean the Matt Stafford who has played 5 less years and is only 4 comebacks behind Ben. Nice try though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: I agree, but if the 9ers get Watson, that means the Rams also just mortgaged the future for a short term window to get the 3rd best QB in their own division. Okay?...."if". If this if that. What's the alternative? Sitting around with your junk in your hands for another 5-10 years until Wilson retires so that you can maybe upgrade to the 2nd best QB in the division? You guys have beaten the Seahawks plenty while they had the best QB in the division and you had like the 25th best quarterback in the league. Also, those are two top 5 QBs. So you could have the 6th best QB in the league and still have the 3rd best in the division. Would you not want that? ALSO also, who freaking knows if the Niners will get Watson! You can't be paralyzed by some fairly unlikely scenario. Reports indicate he prefers Jets or maybe Miami anyways. Nothing's imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: There was no way, otherwise they wouldve done it. Also, Peter Schrager mentioned that McVay fell in love with Stafford and wanted him. That doesn't surprise me. This feels like a move driven more by emotion than calculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, BofaDeez54927 said: Sure, but that cost is going to dwarf this trade, a cost other teams have in spades compared to the 9ers. The point being, you're correctly arguing Stafford is underrated, but the rest of the roster isn't good enough to get away with a best of the rest QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, DannyB said: 12 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: I agree, but if the 9ers get Watson, that means the Rams also just mortgaged the future for a short term window to get the 3rd best QB in their own division. Okay?...."if". If this if that. What's the alternative? Sitting around with your junk in your hands for another 5-10 years until Wilson retires so that you can maybe upgrade to the 2nd best QB in the division? It wouldn't have been 5 years, but now it'll be at least 2 years more than it would have been. "What's the alternative' is what people say to justify PayDay loans - there's always an alternative to spending multiple 1st round picks on an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DannyB said: In no way should Goff be the reason you don't like the trade. Maybe you wish you still kept all of the picks so you had as much draft capital to start building fresh, but I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about losing Captain Ho-Hum over there. As far as Watson, obviously that would be preferable, but there are a few ways to think about it, and not all of these may necessarily be true, but... -If Stafford costs this much, how much will Watson put a team out?? -Maybe the Rams know for a fact that their package of players/picks wouldn't beat out what other teams can offer. -Maybe Houston is still desperately trying to keep him and instead of holding out hope that MAYBE he goes on the trade block and MAYBE they can somehow get him, they figure identify a guy who will do the job NOW and get him for sure instead of being left with their thumb up their *** after all the dominos fall to different teams. I dunno. I get that it's a hefty price, but I think '18 was lightning in a bottle for Goff. He's costing you way more than he's worth, and the rest of your team is still good enough that you still make the playoffs with crappy QB play. That won't get you to the top of the draft board. Might as well upgrade at QB (and he IS an upgrade) and give yourselves a shot while McVay figures out next steps. I don't like the trade because we just mortgaged our future to go from a mediocre young QB to a bit better than mediocre old QB. Edited January 31, 2021 by jrry32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I <3 Faulk Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, El Ramster said: what am I gonna do with the huge tramp stamp on my back that Has Goff to Kupp written on it???? Help. Cover it with Stafford, like how you covered Bradford with Goff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, CKSteeler said: Roethlisberger's career is littered with him making key plays in important moments for his team. Stafford is the guy who throws the interception that seals his team's fate. Sure, if he had a consistently better team we probably wouldn't be able to say no playoff wins. We'd still be talking about a guy who shrinks from the big moments. I dunno man, I think you've got Stafford pegged wrong. Earlier in his career you'd get a nice game-sealing interception fairly regularly, but that hasn't really been the case for I'd say a solid 5 years or so. It was great for the Packers back when Cutler and Stafford would do that, but Stafford grew out of it. Cutler just DGAF and grew more into it. Stafford actually has a little clutch in him I think. He's not Brady, and he's not First Half of Career Ben, and he's not Some Games In Some Seasons And A Couple Out Of Nowhere Postseason Runs Eli Manning, but he's got a little bit of that "thing". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 This is what this trade tells you. The Rams feel like Goff is the thing that is keeping them from winning a SB (and by Rams I mean McVay is telling the team front office that he can't be asked to hand hold him anymore and expect to get a winner) and that they were staring down a shotgun the next two years at a restrictive contract and they thinking upgrading for Stafford is going to push them over the edge and is more important than the top of the draft the next couple years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I <3 Faulk Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Me too, my man. Me too. Just hope they don't trade Kupp for Marlon Mack or something. That tends to burn. Can we get a second in the trade too? Then trade it for John Ross or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, DannyB said: I dunno man, I think you've got Stafford pegged wrong. Earlier in his career you'd get a nice game-sealing interception fairly regularly, but that hasn't really been the case for I'd say a solid 5 years or so. It was great for the Packers back when Cutler and Stafford would do that, but Stafford grew out of it. Cutler just DGAF and grew more into it. Stafford actually has a little clutch in him I think. He's not Brady, and he's not First Half of Career Ben, and he's not Some Games In Some Seasons And A Couple Out Of Nowhere Postseason Runs Eli Manning, but he's got a little bit of that "thing". He sure hasn't shown it in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, DannyB said: I dunno man, I think you've got Stafford pegged wrong. Earlier in his career you'd get a nice game-sealing interception fairly regularly, but that hasn't really been the case for I'd say a solid 5 years or so. It was great for the Packers back when Cutler and Stafford would do that, but Stafford grew out of it. Cutler just DGAF and grew more into it. Stafford actually has a little clutch in him I think. He's not Brady, and he's not First Half of Career Ben, and he's not Some Games In Some Seasons And A Couple Out Of Nowhere Postseason Runs Eli Manning, but he's got a little bit of that "thing". This is pretty spot on. Since Calvin retired, Stafford has been a much better QB. No doubt he killed a season or two on his own before that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Forge said: Niners aren't getting watson. Don't have the ammo to compete with teams like the jets or dolphins without adding bosa and while they are aggressive going after what they want, it's at a moderate price point I'm on record as believing the Football Team has a higher-likelihood of landing Watson than the Niners do (and that's even if he's traded, I can see the Texans digging in their heels, for better or worse). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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